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AGAIN! Something must be done

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Singersong · 07/06/2024 12:22

Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

XL Bully owner was celebrating birthday when she was mauled to death - as videos emerge of her defending breed

An XL Bully owner killed by her dog had just come home from celebrating her birthday when she was mauled to death.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed

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mossylog · 17/06/2024 21:42

TrixieFatell · 17/06/2024 18:18

I remember the time when it was rotties and alsatians but it never seemed to be as relentless as this. Maybe it wasn't reported as much, maybe I missed stuff as I was younger but every week there's yet another attack

I've told my older kids if they ever go round someone's house and they see they have a large dog, they leave no questions asked.

The XL Bully dogs are just way more likely to kill someone than an Alsation. In the last 40 years, there have been 5 fatal dog attacks involving Alsatians, while there have been 5 fatal attacks involving Bullies in the last year.

Furrydogmum · 17/06/2024 21:28

TrixieFatell · 17/06/2024 18:18

I remember the time when it was rotties and alsatians but it never seemed to be as relentless as this. Maybe it wasn't reported as much, maybe I missed stuff as I was younger but every week there's yet another attack

I've told my older kids if they ever go round someone's house and they see they have a large dog, they leave no questions asked.

I have a Perro de Presa Canario. My 9yr old nephew comes after school a couple of evenings a week, he has two friends from the next street that call for him. On the evenings his friends know he won't be here they sometimes call and ask to see my dog! I do wonder what they've told their parents - I wouldn't let my children go to a house with an unknown to me very large breed dog..

AquaQuail · 17/06/2024 21:26

Absolutely disgusting

CraftyGoblin · 17/06/2024 21:24

DysonSphere · 07/06/2024 18:01

I'd argue that pets are a huge financial strain on the poor actually. And those with mobility issues are more likely to struggle to keep up with the daily exercise requirements. In fact keeping a pet is questioned when applying for certain benefits probably because (unfairly and wrongly) it is assumed you must be a good pet owner so ARE mobile enough to get out and about and not depressed enough not to care about something other than yourself that requires significant time, focus and attention.

I think obviously the blind, those needing one for therapy etc should be able to get a doctors certificate to ascertain the benefits to mental health and well-being. But that's it.

One thing for certain is no large breeds should be allowed in social housing. I'd like to see a ban with an accompanying fine on that tomorrow.

I myself am dirt poor, but I live the consequences of not being able to access green spaces because one of these dogs is running around off-lead on the green, and having to cross over the street in fear or being unable to access the stairway when seeing teens and so called adults walking with these things which they clearly can't control.

Pet ownership doesn't form part of the functional assessment or descriptors for any benefit. If an assessor asks, then they were probably making conversation. Disabled people can have pets like anyone else, and being disabled doesn't mean they must neglect them.

Seedsnnut · 17/06/2024 20:17

There was what looked like an XL bully in the main shopping centre of a city near me today and it was unmuzzled. It was jumping all over the place despite being on a lead. The young boy holding it looked so smug that people were giving him a wide berth .

I was on my way out and had visitors from abroad with me and couldn’t see staff around but I’ll be writing to the shopping centre tomorrow reporting what I seen.

This is partly why allowing dogs in shopping malls isn’t a good idea you'll always get the idiots that bring entirely unsuitable out of control ones. I assume it was over stimulated With all the bright lights, smells and people.

TrixieFatell · 17/06/2024 18:18

I remember the time when it was rotties and alsatians but it never seemed to be as relentless as this. Maybe it wasn't reported as much, maybe I missed stuff as I was younger but every week there's yet another attack

I've told my older kids if they ever go round someone's house and they see they have a large dog, they leave no questions asked.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 14:58

And then there’s this attack caught on camera.Dog belonged to neighbour.Unbelievably the dog is still with the owner and the person attacked is now trying to move house.

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 14:48

And another one.All again in a very short space of time.You don’t often get to hear of other pets that are killed in the papers,but the amount of other pets that are being killed seems to be increasing.

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 14:46

Another one

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 14:46

Another one

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 14:34

lawnseed · 17/06/2024 14:10

The Purge: Attack of The Killer Canines 😬

It wouldn’t be so bad if it was just attacking their owners.The number of innocent people and other pets attacked is appalling .

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lawnseed · 17/06/2024 14:10

The Purge: Attack of The Killer Canines 😬

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/06/2024 13:32

beergiggles · 17/06/2024 12:36

Barely a week goes by without someone being killed or seriously injured by a pitbull type dog.
The sky news report on the Aberavan case says that police were called at 7:00 a.m.
This suggests to me that the man was attacked by his own dog and in his own home?

It seems like it.I think I read related to owner.

beergiggles · 17/06/2024 12:36

Barely a week goes by without someone being killed or seriously injured by a pitbull type dog.
The sky news report on the Aberavan case says that police were called at 7:00 a.m.
This suggests to me that the man was attacked by his own dog and in his own home?

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 17/06/2024 12:34

This is like some dystopian novel, animals start turning on humans and we're too soft and dysfunctional as a society to do anything about it! Next dogs will start keeping humans on farms for consumption.

Rottweilermummy · 16/06/2024 21:59

Flocke · 13/06/2024 09:13

But if dogs have had years of breeding to behave a certain way that's what makes it harder to stop them doing the things they were bred for.
If a dog bred for fighting would just stop by being told stop it wouldn't be much use as a fighting dog. Fighting dogs are bred specifically to NOT stop no matter what. The same way telling a whippet just to "stop" when it starts chasing is going to be incredibly hard to stop once those instincts kick in. My friend has a whippet. He's the best behaved dog. So well trained. Until he sees a rabbit or something. Then all training seems to disappear from his head.

You have a good point there,

Itsonlymashadow · 14/06/2024 18:18

dawngreen · 14/06/2024 13:43

My point about those 2 children Is just about teaching and parents being in control same way owners of dogs , If the parents of those children were with them it wouldn't have happened, they would have stopped those children from doing what they did and I don't think they could possibly have taught those children morals or those children wouldn't have done what they did , basically Teaching and training are about Being Responsible!!! Quite aware dogs and children are not literally same. Being Responsible applies to both dog owners, and parents.

Those children are entirely irrelevant to the thread.

Where their parents were, is irrelevant.

Wether the children were taught morals is irrelevant to this conversation. You can’t teach dogs morals.

being responsible applies to everyone. There’s a societal expectation that we are all responsible members of society. Some people ignore it. And when people get harmed because someone is irresponsible, we weak to impose consequences to protect people from getting harmed in the future.

JammyJellyfish · 14/06/2024 16:10

Logic is flawed @dawngreen. Go back to Burger killers, both came from broken homes and had brutal childhoods. But once their time was done Thompson is now living in society and keeping a low profile, Venables had his parole denied last year as he is still dangerous and a threat to children. Probably always will be as that is in his nature. This is key - it is in the nature of a collie to herd, golden's retrieve, shepherds & poodles, which were once a highly vicious hunting dog guard and protect etc.

But at the base of all dogs is a hunting instinct which leads to surprise attacks - think of the seal on the Thames mauled by a random mixed breed dog (owned by a QC!) which took 4 people to get the dog off. The constant attacks on swans, other dogs and pets and farming livestock - they all count but are not generally recognised or reported as they are not people but the hunting behaviour is the same.

dawngreen · 14/06/2024 13:43

My point about those 2 children Is just about teaching and parents being in control same way owners of dogs , If the parents of those children were with them it wouldn't have happened, they would have stopped those children from doing what they did and I don't think they could possibly have taught those children morals or those children wouldn't have done what they did , basically Teaching and training are about Being Responsible!!! Quite aware dogs and children are not literally same. Being Responsible applies to both dog owners, and parents.

Itsonlymashadow · 14/06/2024 05:15

dawngreen · 13/06/2024 21:13

Dog owners are the ones to teach their dogs the right way to handle every day things. And the parents teach their children the right way to handle every day things. So what part of that is hard for you to understand? The methods of teaching are different because ofc dogs are not the same as kids. I am not reading all the posts again, but some one mentioned kids which made me post. You can get bad owners , and bad parents. I just see a repeat of banning breeds until the next breed bites, and ppl still have these breeds, and back streets are happy to sell them.

And how is it relevant that some people commit crime?

It’s not. Because that’s not what we are talking about.

Dogs are not people.

dawngreen · 13/06/2024 21:13

Dog owners are the ones to teach their dogs the right way to handle every day things. And the parents teach their children the right way to handle every day things. So what part of that is hard for you to understand? The methods of teaching are different because ofc dogs are not the same as kids. I am not reading all the posts again, but some one mentioned kids which made me post. You can get bad owners , and bad parents. I just see a repeat of banning breeds until the next breed bites, and ppl still have these breeds, and back streets are happy to sell them.

Itsonlymashadow · 13/06/2024 21:12

fliptopbin · 13/06/2024 19:10

I strongly suspect that the poster you are quoting has posted on the wrong thread.

I am not so sure. That poster has brought up the kids multiple times and also discussed these dogs in those posts.

fliptopbin · 13/06/2024 19:10

Seedsnnut · 13/06/2024 00:35

There are unfortunately people of all ages that commit evil acts. No-one is denying that. We all remember Jamie Bulgers killers for example. But neither them nor the two 12 year olds are not what this thread is about at all and has no relevance to the discussion.

HTH.

I strongly suspect that the poster you are quoting has posted on the wrong thread.

BlackFriYay · 13/06/2024 19:05

What's this about 12 year olds killing somebody? :-S