AGAIN! Something must be done

Not always. Saying it's down to ownership totally dismisses the inate danger and violence of this breed.

Whether attacks are an accumulation of aggression or random dog instinct, at the end of the day, they're dangerous dogs and have no place in society.

She was viciously supportive of them online, telling people she doesn't give a fuck what they think, doesn't give a fuck if they're scared, doesn't give a fuck if they don't want to live near one. Honestly why should I give a fuck she got hers? The reason she's dead is because she insisted on keeping a banned breed, the reason she doesn't have the whole of her life ahead of her was because she "didn't give a fuck". So please do tell me why I should give a fuck?

I fear i might sound silly saying this and not get my point across ..

But i feel like , in the majority , certain types of people own these dogs . For example , I’ve never known an older couple own one ( the type to treat a dog like their child ) , but i see a lot of people that own them are the type that have them , have them as a “trophy” type dog … they look scary , they’re a big scary dog …. Men who would rough play with them , families who would let the children climb all over them and be proud of that fact then wonder why they attack.

Im not saying everyone who owns them is like this - but then not all of them attack.

I feel like they are a breed that are strong , that have an attack nature within them … and if they aren’t treated correctly they’re going to attack. If someone is rough playing with them and getting them to growl and be rough then they’re going to think it’s ok . I mean chihuahuas are aggressive by nature I think and I know someone who has had behaviourists work with them - but the thing is an attack my a chihuahua isn’t going to have the same outcome as an attack by a very powerful dog.

I don’t think they should be put down ( as a breed ) but they need to be in the right place , they have too much strength. I would never have one with a child.

I have a lab , he is so lovely and calm . But he’s still a big dog . I never let my children climb all over him ( i have no doubt he would let them and just lay there ) but if something made him feel threatened what’s to say he wouldn’t bite to defend himself ? Dont risk it .

My neighbour has 2 of them. The mother is really aggressive. It is always muzzled when out but I would be terrified of it ran out the door.
I am an absolute dog lover and have owned different breeds but these dogs scare me!

I completely agree, I think I just get my back up sometimes as we had so many snide comments and dirty looks after he had it done. Sorry. 🙈

Totally agree but it is the neighbours that i feel for. Can you imagine the fear you must have every time you open your front door or turn the corner onto your street, or how poor children that can't play in their own back gardens feel because one of these lives next door. The woman that was killed by this pack said she didn't give a fuck what anyone else felt about her dogs. She made her choices.

I'd argue that pets are a huge financial strain on the poor actually. And those with mobility issues are more likely to struggle to keep up with the daily exercise requirements. In fact keeping a pet is questioned when applying for certain benefits probably because (unfairly and wrongly) it is assumed you must be a good pet owner so ARE mobile enough to get out and about and not depressed enough not to care about something other than yourself that requires significant time, focus and attention.

I think obviously the blind, those needing one for therapy etc should be able to get a doctors certificate to ascertain the benefits to mental health and well-being. But that's it.

One thing for certain is no large breeds should be allowed in social housing. I'd like to see a ban with an accompanying fine on that tomorrow.

I myself am dirt poor, but I live the consequences of not being able to access green spaces because one of these dogs is running around off-lead on the green, and having to cross over the street in fear or being unable to access the stairway when seeing teens and so called adults walking with these things which they clearly can't control.

I read that up to half of all XL bullies are descended from an American Dog called Killer Kimbo, who has a history of violent offspring.

I read about the breeding line too, but thought it was actually most of them. As far as I can see they are all bred from a line which was chosen for aggression. And needs to be ended. I am usually totally against ending dog breeds because human intervention has fucked them up, preferring to try and undo the damage (like reversing the extreme flat faces of pugs by introducing controlled cross breeding). However, this breed was made for one thing only and needs to be wiped out.

Apparently the neighbours of this woman (who had been in the house for a year) are saying they never saw her walking the dogs. And she had four of them!

We're considering buying one small dog this summer - they are so expensive and time consuming. How on earth could she afford to keep four?! Surely dogs like that would need loads of exercise and walking..

Agree.

The tone and sort of language being used to crow about this is exactly the sort of language I'd expect to hear from some of the lesser educated owners of these dogs regarding those who want to see them banned. 2 sides of the same coin.

I abhor them.

Round them up and PTS humanely.

That is really disgusting. She was someone's child too. And yes she may have been misguided to keep a dangerous breed but she didn't deserve to die so horrifically and her parents don't deserve the heart ache they must be going through now.
So while I agree whole heartedly with the sentiment on this thread around the danger of keeping of such breeds, please remember that she was a 23 year old woman with her whole life ahead of her and she was someone's daughter.
She is not even buried yet- have some compassion.

I agree. Plus any dog can be in pain, shocked/anxious, ill, become deaf/blind , and act differently to their normal character, as a result. There was a sad thread recently about a much loved Jack Russell, who became suddenly aggressive, due to a brain tumour. The problem is much bigger, when the dog is built like a killing machine. The breed has to go. I posted yesterday regarding a man killed by an XL, last year, on a neighbouring estate. He was walking his own small dog. I'm a dog lover, but sadly the risks are too great.

Inbred, like their owners.

The thing here is that there are loads of crap dog owners who treat their "fur babies" like a baby or child replacement. Fortunately though, 99% of the time this just translates to them shitting on the carpet or yapping at passers by in the street and being generally annoying. Crap owners of these monstrosities though is a different matter. They are not and are incapable of being, a domesticated pet.

They are akin to a wild animal and should be treated as such, not asleep on your sofa 😑

And that's absolutely the right thing to do for your dog, done in his best interests and to keep him safe and healthy.

Fucknuts who do it for cosmetic/status reasons, are just further demonstrating how little they understand about dogs and how unsuited they are to own one!

Why difference does it matter if we say the breed is "bad"?
Makes fuck all difference to the dogs how we refer to them.
Why is the wording relevant?
THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE

Maybe I have used amputation and docking as to mean the same thing, apologises if they are not.

Yes it was for medical reasons, “happy tail”, as our boxer had badly damaged his through excessive wagging.

But that's no reason to price out dog ownership completely for those who probably actually benefit more from owning a dog? Loneliness, mobility issues, lack of purpose, depression....all things that can improve with having a dog (or any pet) and I imagine issues facing 'non MC' owners more?

Of course people should have the means to provide for the animal, but that's not exclusive to the upper classes.

I would call mine Nancy

She probably would give a fuck now but she can't.
She's dead

I’m sorry she lost her life but she (and many other dog owners) are prime candidates for the Darwin Award. A general culture who don’t listen to any sensible advice, do what they want regardless. That said, it’s her risk, I’m only concerned when that choice either puts innocent members of the public or kids in the household at risk.

Yeah but the stereotypes unfortunately are true on this case. Reluctantly I acknowledge it is mostly the poor with these types of dangerous outsized dogs. A big dog is a status symbol inferring instant Kudos and respec' and more understandably, a deterrent against a knife attack.

As said, MC people can be bloody well annoying with the babyfication of their dogs along with zero boundaries in eating spaces (('What? You mean my dog should give way to a human/cyclist/jogger/child on the same foot path? Oh no, poor poodles has right of way' and 'of course my dog has a right to wag it's tail against your foot in the cafe and sit on the seat' What? allergies you say? Well then you should sit somewhere else))

But their dogs (generally) aren't the ones ripping people to shreds on a monthly basis. So there's that.

They're malformed with dodgy genes so they're probably in chronic pain and discomfort. Some of them seem to struggle to walk and breathe. It's very sad.

Just hide each thread as you come across it.