AGAIN! Something must be done

Any dog has the ability to turn and attack , all the different dog breeds over the years that have had a bad name because a few have attacked, e.g Rottweilers, Doberman, Staffies, American Pit bulls it's not the dog at fault its the owners, owning any big strong breed especially ones ive named takes great responsibility , mine is a softie but am still totally aware that if a dog has a go at her (which is usually the case, not other way round) it will be her and me that get the bad name if she retaliates, so am always on guard she's always on lead around other dogs, If dogs are caught off guard , i.e stroked from behind, this is usually a trigger. I think dog licencing should come back and better checks before people are sold a dog

....and those criminal owners who have them to use as a weapon instead of a gun which would be illegal

I saw it too and wish I hadn't. I can picture it clearly as I write this 😔

The problem is with in breeding, it happened in my area in the 90’s with Staffordshire bull terriers, they were terribly interbred and the result was a whole generation or two of massively aggressive dogs! Who no one in their right mind would touch with a barge pole! My uncle from miles away from us has always had Staffies (that are lovely) you couldn’t pay me to have one! Having said that I’ve got a rescue Jack Russell that would have your hand off if you look at him the wrong way! 😊

Step back and get a sense of perspective.

I am going to be slightly brutal in this post with a personal point of view.

Firstly, it seems, that owners with aggressive dogs are not exercising them for 1-2 hours every day.

This might be because the dogs are genetically linked to the banned dogs.

Secondly, Covid was a nightmare for dogs. So many people bought dogs that didn't/couldn't go to puppy training and socialisation classes. Two years of new dogs on the circuit who don't know how to behave and are anxious/aggressive.

Thirdly - ALL the dog deaths reported seem to be the death of an owner, family member, child that was in the home of the dog or dog walker.

What a surprise?!!!

Most of think there's not a bad dog, only a bad dog owner.

I would argue for both cases.

But the last owner who got mauled to death?

Do you honestly think that Bully dog wanted to be John Travolta? And dance raised up on his hind paws?

If a dog from age birth was danced with like that every day - I think it would be the most insidious form of torture.

The owner was not fit to raise dogs. And no surprise all four of dogs were put down. They were not in a healthy environment.

Thanks for explaining this im such detail. It's bewildering that this myth is pushed so much it has gained mainstream acceptance as truth.

I also find it very difficult to have any sympathy for the woman who was killed by her own dog.
But at the same time what happened to her was horrifying and awful. She seems not to have been very bright but you would hope that someone could talk sense into her and get her to realize how dangerous the situation was with these dogs.
Her behaviour and the videos she posted made her extremely unlikable in my view, but I'm still horrified by what happened to her.

It’s horrifying. I don’t feel sorry for the owner actually. It could easily been someone else her dog killed, glad it was her instead. Silly cow.

I remember watching that. I think that people become mesmerized by the power of these large muscular predators. I'm also thinking of that podcast series of those two men who kept tigers, they had a stage show, one of them was mauled on the stage.

I'm still shaken by it too - I didn't know what I was about to see when I clicked it, not expecting to see that. They had ripped his clothes off and he was torn to shreds. He was protecting his mum from them... my heart breaks each time I think about it

Euthanise them all. I'm an animal lover but they are mutant monsters.

I couldn't bring myself to watch the Ian Price video but I do know it went on for a long, long time, over twenty minutes. The dogs didn't lose interest at all.

It reminds me a bit of that documentary Grizzly Man about the man who believed that grizzly bears could be tamed if he behaved in a certain way around them. Him and his girlfriend were mauled to death by bears.

Gosh that is just horrific. The poor man.

I am still haunted by the clip I saw of Ian Price's death.
In the clip he is seated on the ground, I think his legs are extended in front of him. One of the dogs has its jaws around his right hip/buttock area, it seems as if this is holding him to the ground. The other dog is sauntering around in playfull manner, it then starts to bite into his left shoulder.
Mr Price is subdued, he is not moving much. He cries out a little as the other dog bites into his shoulder. I suppose that he was in shock and had surrendered himself to death. His lack of resistance is horrifying.
I think the clip was 60 seconds long, maybe less. I felt very guilty for watching it, I felt as if I had violated his dignity.

You've completely missed the point.

No amount of good training will train bad genes out of a dog.

I do feel sorry for the dogs as it’s not their fault that they have been created.

I am hoping that in 15yrs time this will be pretty much over. Yes they will move on to another breed but hopefully that other breed won’t be as strong or determined.

I know if I was attacked by a German Shepherd, Rottie, Doberman etc that a good kick in the right area would cause it to back off. The XLs don’t seem to have the same self preservation that normal breeds have. Plus they look like it would really hurt your foot if you kicked them - solid masses of muscle.

I don’t think we should be banning or restricting large breed dogs though. There are so many wonderful and kind large breeds who would miss out. Newfoundlands, Bernese, St Bernards, Great Danes, Greyhounds - all great family pets who have existed alongside humans for a long time with very few issues.

There is a massive amount of money to be made off dangerous dogs
@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken yes, as ever "follow the money"

I'm not saying no rules are necessary, I do think the current rules create limitations on the dogs that will very likely increase their aggressive tendencies though.

I think they need to be allowed off lead if muzzled, perhaps, in designated areas that are both free to use and stimulating. We do need to permit the animals a decent quality of life, and a decent chance to remain stable too.

It is in their nature to be vicious, just like it’s in the nature of a Retriever to retrieve.

dogs don’t need to be off lead to enjoy a walk or to get the mental stimulation from the walk.

Mental stimulation is far more important than physical stimulation when it comes to improving behaviour of dogs. And dogs can get lots of mental stimulation at home.

and why can’t they walk them? They can play, unmuzzled at home and in their garden with their owners.

Private fields can be hired for XL bully owners.
Sadly the idea of run and play with this breed sometimes leads to chase and maul.There have been too many horrific instances of XL’s off lead unmuzzled that have gone on to kill other pets.
It is down to the owners to do all they can to keep their pet stimulated as it was their choice to have this breed.
It is what it is, the important thing being no innocent person or animal is injured or killed.

I actually think the laws will lead to more owner attacks that might not have happened otherwise, while preventing others.

It's now really hard to exercise the dogs enough to keep them calm and happy, they don't get to be off lead or unmuzzled so their natural instinct to run and play are being curbed to their frustration. I worry this means XL bullies are now being kept in conditions which make them more dangerous to owners who comply with the law. My dog is a tit when he's not exercised enough too, but he's not got that genetic history of aggression that XL bullies do.

Oh right yes of course! Completely & utterly agree

When I said appearances can be deceptive I meant just because they don’t have the ears and tail docked it doesn’t automatically mean they are a good dog owner.

A MC privilege to own a dog is ridiculous. I say this as a MC dog owner.

Half the middle class people i know who own a dog barely train them and seem unconcerned by their terrible behaviour. I include one of my siblings in this group! Their dog has bitten mine twice, and has bitten lots of people, including my niblings. It's only not been put down because it's so small.

The ownership of XL bullies is a class thing sure, but training or not training of dogs certainly isn't.