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Sunak isn't a very good politician

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Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 10:02

YABU - he's great, I love him
YANBU - only an absolute IDIOT of a PM would have left the D-DAY remembrance early

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Footnoteintime · 08/06/2024 05:38

He absolutely isn’t thinking sensibly on his feet you are right. If you need an adviser to tell you it’s pissing down outside and to to call an election indoors or use an umbrella, then there is a real problem with common sense and imagination . Again, if you didn’t think to respectfully mark such a significant occasion as a D-Day anniversary stuffed full of veterans, world leaders and royalty, then there’s an issue with prioritising, as well as genuine care about the sacrifice people were asked to make and the patriotism and sense of duty they displayed. Calling for National Service and then pissing off early from France, is beyond hypocritical and stupid. If he couldn’t see that a visiting to a Titanic Museum during electioneering also displays a remarkable lack of sense awareness and irony. Dear Lord he is utterly dense.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 08/06/2024 04:48

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:08

The Yougov snap poll put Sunak ahead of Starmer after the first tv debate the other day, so plenty of people think he is a good politician.

Doffing caps and bowing and scraping for our betters are behaviours taught to the British from a young age. I’m sure if Sunak was white and had a double barrelled name, the figure in his favour would be even higher.

Him shouting over those who he deemed beneath him would have impressed quite a few viewers, who see that behaviour as a sign of leadership.

Also the Tories worked out that shouting simple data points sticks in heads e.g £350m for NHS during Brexit campaign.

By the time Sunak has screamed £2000 tax for a third time, I realised it was an attack line provided by his campaign team to stick in the heads of the electorate. He’s incapable of thinking on his feet, and he screamed it that many times, that it was clearly rehearsed.

AmpleFatball · 08/06/2024 04:23

He’s one of the least shit Tories, and head and shoulders above Boris or Truss.

That said, and even acknowledging that he never really had a hope and is in a difficult place not entirely of his own making…he’s making a right mess of his campaign.

QueenBitch666 · 08/06/2024 03:07

IWantToBeASleepingCat · 07/06/2024 11:40

He's great.. l love him.
One of the most intelligent PM's we have ever had.

Irony surely...

QueenBitch666 · 08/06/2024 03:05

Neither is Starmer. Our country is fucked if that's all we have to choose from

TheShellBeach · 07/06/2024 21:49

SocoBateVira · 07/06/2024 21:46

While Starmer had the wit to stay, be seen to show some respect and get photographed next to Zelenskyy. Because he's a better politician than Sunak.

He's also a much more principled human being.

SocoBateVira · 07/06/2024 21:46

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 21:40

It’s about how Sunak couldn’t be arsed to stay for the 80th anniversary service for D-Day. Think about that.
He left EARLY to go and do a tv interview.

While Starmer had the wit to stay, be seen to show some respect and get photographed next to Zelenskyy. Because he's a better politician than Sunak.

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 21:40

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:05

How convenient 🙄

It’s about how Sunak couldn’t be arsed to stay for the 80th anniversary service for D-Day. Think about that.
He left EARLY to go and do a tv interview.

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Ponoka7 · 07/06/2024 21:28

Nat6999 · 07/06/2024 16:11

What????? He wasn't intelligent enough to use an umbrella or the multi-million pound specially build media suite to announce the GE when it was raining.

They needed to move fast to knock Paula Vennells off the News.
I'm still unsure that he should have the power to remove the option of smoking. I know MN hates smoking but it's a massive civil liberty issue.

thistimelastweek · 07/06/2024 21:17

JoJothegerbil · 07/06/2024 21:09

That poll was 51% 49% to Sunak so he was hardly miles in front.

And he told a lie that might have influenced people.

I'm getting a deja vu moment.

fiddlesticksohyeah · 07/06/2024 21:10

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:08

The Yougov snap poll put Sunak ahead of Starmer after the first tv debate the other day, so plenty of people think he is a good politician.

He's toast. He knows it. Let him lose with some dignity fgs

JoJothegerbil · 07/06/2024 21:09

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:08

The Yougov snap poll put Sunak ahead of Starmer after the first tv debate the other day, so plenty of people think he is a good politician.

That poll was 51% 49% to Sunak so he was hardly miles in front.

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:08

The Yougov snap poll put Sunak ahead of Starmer after the first tv debate the other day, so plenty of people think he is a good politician.

fiddlesticksohyeah · 07/06/2024 21:07

IWantToBeASleepingCat · 07/06/2024 11:40

He's great.. l love him.
One of the most intelligent PM's we have ever had.

You're so funny Grin

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:05

ilovesooty · 07/06/2024 11:31

The thread isn't about Starmer.

How convenient 🙄

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 21:04

I’m not sure if the stupidity or the lies are worse.
Another ex private school educated politician with the morals of an alley cat

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Nat6999 · 07/06/2024 16:11

IWantToBeASleepingCat · 07/06/2024 11:40

He's great.. l love him.
One of the most intelligent PM's we have ever had.

What????? He wasn't intelligent enough to use an umbrella or the multi-million pound specially build media suite to announce the GE when it was raining.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 07/06/2024 15:40

I do sometimes wonder if Sunak has, throughout his term mistakenly thought that you’re not meant to take the role of PM seriously and it’s all a bit of a laugh.

SocoBateVira · 07/06/2024 15:29

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 07/06/2024 12:41

Actually yes- at purely being good at politics (not looking at policies etc) Starmer is a good politician.

He has barely made any mistakes over the last few years. He’s understood what turned off voters to the Labour Party and has made significant progress in changing perceptions. The Tories have laid trap after trap for him to fall in, and other, less aware politicians would have fallen in them - but he hasn’t.

He’s worked out when to play party politics and when to just quietly go along with the Tories so any drama is just Sunaks problem.

Starmer has faults, but he’s good at politics in a way Labour hasn’t had for a while. (And Sunak is consistently making it easy for Starmer to look good with minimal effort.)

Yep.

One doesn't have to approve of Starmer, or any of his policies, to see that this is true. Granted, the Tories have given him a loooooot of help at various points. But he has been tactically very astute throughout. Very adept politicianing.

domineastronomy · 07/06/2024 14:19

Think this might be the end for Sunak.
Who the fuck advises these people?

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 07/06/2024 12:41

Nancy1906 · 07/06/2024 10:14

And I suppose Keir is a brilliant one.
I absolutely love what he has done for this country.

Actually yes- at purely being good at politics (not looking at policies etc) Starmer is a good politician.

He has barely made any mistakes over the last few years. He’s understood what turned off voters to the Labour Party and has made significant progress in changing perceptions. The Tories have laid trap after trap for him to fall in, and other, less aware politicians would have fallen in them - but he hasn’t.

He’s worked out when to play party politics and when to just quietly go along with the Tories so any drama is just Sunaks problem.

Starmer has faults, but he’s good at politics in a way Labour hasn’t had for a while. (And Sunak is consistently making it easy for Starmer to look good with minimal effort.)

IWFH · 07/06/2024 12:26

PerkingFaintly · 07/06/2024 12:25

To be fair, I think the Tory Party have been on a downward spiral since the party (and country) fell out of love with Boris.

The Tories have been on a downward spiral since they fell in love with Boris Johnson.

"Ooh, let's put in the joke candidate, because he's popular with punters who like a laugh."
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"Johnson's a lazy dolt I'll find easy to manipulate." (paraphrase of Dominic Cummings in this interview, IIRC)

I'm sure it felt like a clever idea for the first five minutes; then reality hit.

You raise a valid point 😁

PerkingFaintly · 07/06/2024 12:25

To be fair, I think the Tory Party have been on a downward spiral since the party (and country) fell out of love with Boris.

The Tories have been on a downward spiral since they fell in love with Boris Johnson.

"Ooh, let's put in the joke candidate, because he's popular with punters who like a laugh."
+
"Johnson's a lazy dolt I'll find easy to manipulate." (paraphrase of Dominic Cummings in this interview, IIRC)

I'm sure it felt like a clever idea for the first five minutes; then reality hit.

Dominic Cummings - The Interview - BBC News Special - 20th July 2021

Dominic Cummings single-handedly drove through Brexit before moving into Number 10 as the prime minister’s chief adviser. In an exclusive interview with the ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddHN2qmvCG0

beergiggles · 07/06/2024 12:23

ilovesooty · 07/06/2024 12:13

He could avoided making a tit of himself with most of those things if he'd done his homework and employed a modicum of common sense.

I don't think he could bring himself to do any homework, thinking about, it researching it would feel too much like kowtowing to the peasants.
Because of his arrogance he wont bend to or make accommodations for the common people, he will feel that they ought to bend to him.

ilovesooty · 07/06/2024 12:13

HomelessAngua · 07/06/2024 12:05

So no umbrella, the Titanic visit, leaving France, going to a brewery when you don't drink, asked the Welsh (at said brewery) about the Euros - the gaffs continue. His advisors must work from Braverman, or Boris or Liz Lettuce.

He could avoided making a tit of himself with most of those things if he'd done his homework and employed a modicum of common sense.