Is this colder than most ‘junes’? So miserable

We had a glorious May here in north east Scotland. Lots of warmth and sunshine.
It all changed last Tuesday and it’s been very cold (mountains have snow again) but Plenty of sun. If you can get out the wind, it’s warm ish in the sun. Still lighting the fire every night and big hoodies when it rains is no fun.

No, can remember plenty of early summer days like this. Late summer heartwave incoming! Don't panic, it's early yet and not that cold!

@the80sweregreat

in your opinion. I think heatwaves are way better than the weather we have been having.

I had my dressing gown on all night expecting to wake up sweating but didn't !!!

No, I totally understand that farmers need better weather and bad conditions make it harder for them , but also heatwaves for certain crops can't be good either ?
I agree it's unsettling as June is normally a bit warmer , but I just prefer it cooler and not as affected by colder conditions than some people seem to be, which I do understand as well.
I can't cope with higher temperatures in the UK ( not unless there's pools or air con involved and I don't have those at home!)
Yes, I do go outside and if there's a heatwave I stay in as much as possible.

Do you not like eating then?
Do you never go outside?

I’m sitting here in my cardi! Heating is on. Somehow, chilly weather in June feels worse than the same weather in December: it’s bright so it should feel warmer. It’s windy. Somehow I find it all a bit unsettling.

What rain constantly or on and off all day long. I mean sure if you don’t want British fruit and veg 😂😂

I'd be happy to have this weather for the whole of summer time. So much nicer than any heatwaves!

I agree @JasonTindallsTan
A lot of mumsnetters think that 20 degrees is "hot" though.
That is warm not hot.

Had my oody on in bed last night, still got my 13 tog duvet on. Had to wear winter coat today. Yorkshire
I always put away my winter stuff in march and don't even think about them until October. But this year is so strange

1. The hypothetico-deductive model of scientific reasoning does not require consensus
2. A broad consensus, with respect to certain basic scientific assumptions (such as the radiative forcing properties of greenhouse gases) certainly does not translate into a similarly broad consensus, with respect to the application of those assumptions when modelling the complexities of the climatic system
3. Extremely reputable scientists have set out a compelling case for the principal international body controlling the political narrative on climate change (the IPCC) actually manufacturing consensus. I am re-linking to a Dr Judith Curry discussion that I posted upthread (in case you overlooked it) , as she makes some excellent points on this matter, as well as drawing attention to how unsettled climate science is in general...

What I was referring to was not the normal pattern of modelled water vapour naturally circulating within the atmosphere. I was referring to the impact of a pretty unusual, large scale eruption of an underwater volcano! So, whilst many media outlets were busy bleating their usual catastrophic global boiling propaganda last year, some reputable scientists were busy drawing links to real world events! It is a fact that the Hunga Tonga eruption injected an unprecedented amount of water vapour into the stratosphere (for recent times) and it is also a fact that the way that this will impact on climate globally is not currently known - but there is speculation that it could already (and may continue to do so over the next few years) have produced some interesting regional weather patterns.
I am unsure what point you are trying to make. I am indeed well aware that water vapour is one of the principal atmospheric radiative forcing agents (that is accepted, and pretty basic physics!). However, you are rather off the mark if you think that this means that, therefore, the feedback mechanisms of water vapour are well understood, or modelled (I think you may need to read the existing body of peer-reviewed scientific literature a bit more thoroughly).
It is a fact that there is an issue with natural climatic drivers not being given sufficient research time - mainly due to inbuilt funding and political biases skewing the research context. Having an understanding of the basic physics of individual atmospheric components simply does not translate into a comprehensive understanding of the complex dynamics and feedback relationships operating within the horribly complicated climatic system. The fact that the possible effects of the Hunga Tonga event cannot be definitively known, and requires a watching brief, illustrates this point.

13c and bright sunshine here.
Then, 30 mins alter, 13c and hammering it down with rain here.
Then, 30 mins later, back to sunshine.

And so on....

The impact of water vapour as a greenhouse gas is well-known and well-studied.

It's not frequently mentioned in the public debate because it's primarily a feedback mechanism rather than a direct driver of climate change. Its concentration is naturally regulated by temperature and the hydrological cycle and it has a much shorter atmospheric lifetime compared to other greenhouse gases, but it is considered in climate modelling.

As someone who claims to know the science behind this I would have thought you'd know this.

What you mean like the meta study by Lynas et al that found a 99.9% concensus after examining over 88,000 peer-reviewed climate studies (up from 97% from the previous study in 2013)?

There is no significant debate among reputable scientists over the cause of the climate change we are currently experiencing.

Here in Cornwall it's been dry and sunny, but with constant northerly winds that make everything chilly. My bedroom faces north, so northerlies often wake me up with their howling- nice 🙄.Logically this would mean that we're getting cold air from further north atm.

I had my first proper sea swim of the year at the weekend- the water was lovely, but then I sat and shivered while I dried out.

13° and wall to wall rain today. I'd be surprised if we've had five days that could be described as very warm since the last summer holidays.

In addition to the El Nino context, the impact of the 2022 Hunga Tonga eruption (which injected massive amounts of water vapour - a potent greenhouse gas - into the stratosphere) is likely to be felt for potentially years, disturbing weather patterns in ways that probably cannot be modelled easily. Yet another natural factor that needs to be taken into account whenever the media present an over-simplified narrative of the climate change! https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3204/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/

https://phys.org/news/2023-01-tonga-eruption-chances-global-temperature.html

Was watching Countryfile earlier and on their weather bit, they said its been warmer than average because of the night time temperatures being warmer (and not the daytime which has been lower than average), this was caused by the cloudy nights. There has apparently been no frost in England in March, April or May.

Also a report I was reading said we've just been through the 4th strongest El Niño, which may explain our mild and wet winter and the continent's heat wave last year.

I wonder if some people just perceive temperatures very differently. A pp mentioned it being ‘v hot’ in both London and Scotland. I’ve not noticed a single day this year in the UK that could be described by me as being anything near ‘very hot’. I’ve barely gone out the house without a hoodie.

ETA, I wouldn’t consider anything below 25 degrees to be ‘very hot’.

I'm in the south west overcast very windy 13c ATM yesterday evening turned out nice . I've seen tiktoks of people in Tenerife and lazorante and it's cloudy so isn't just UK maybe a late summer .

I was in Scotland and also in London, it was very hot in both places without much rain.

Currently 12 degrees and raining in South Yorkshire.

14C maximum today here in the west country, which means 12 or 13C with the wind. Temp tomorrow night will apparently drop to 9. Feels more like early April than June, and April itself felt more like February.