To think parents of private education school children will be fine

I mean its a similar concept to queue jumping - getting an unfair advantage
Part of my job is Orientation people from overseas (often Americans) and a lot of the time they have mentioned how we don't seem to like success here (their view not mine)

Well if it's like the Brexit bus you will be fine (as that was an out and out lie and the money never materialised to pay for the NHS!)

You don't like the policy as it will personally affect you financially. Fair enough. You can surely understand other people can be in favour of it without being 'critically and rationally' impaired, you just don't want them to be...

We also don't like people "getting above their station"

People are not a fan of it In Ireland either they say they "have notions" as in notions above their station 😂

We will be fine. DS is starting in August (secondary only) and we can afford his fees. If VAT is added it's highly likely we won't then send DD who is 5 years younger. She doesn't have dyslexia or issues with being bullied at the state primary they're at so it's less of an issue. We'll pay for tutors and extra curriculars for her at the state secondary and go on nicer holidays. I don't want VAT to be added and think it's like the Brexit bus all over again. It's amazing the power that politicians and media have over people's ability to think critically and rationally .

Many of the children with SEN in independent schools are financed by local authorities.

And someone living near Holland Park Comprehensive, to give one extreme example, who may be a millionaire, eating chicken and avocados from Waitrose, rather than a migrant or white working class boy in the North, is not ‘queue jumping’?

An old one now, but I think still true.
American sees someone driving a flash car, thinks 'How can I earn enough to buy that?'
British person sees someone driving a flash car, thinks 'What a '
There are issues with both attitudes.

It is a very UK thing, its not envy exactly but an extreme form of "fairness". We don't think anyone should have an advantage - its a form of queue jumping and everyone knows how we feel about that.
We also don't like people "getting above their station"

I wasn't born in the UK and so I just don't understand why people like you seem so envious of parents who choose to educate their children through the private school system.

And it makes such parents "entitled arseholes." You sound very bitter.

Just adding:

4 Choose to educate your children in another country

@ScrollingLeaves look there's many forms of policy or tax we might not personally like. For example, we pay corporation tax on our company profits and then when we draw dividends we pay personal tax on it too.

Just because we don't use a public service (for example the NHS) it doesn't mean we are entitled to money back on it. What would you do about people who don't have children and whose taxes also go into supporting state education to make it 'fairer' for them?

If people have children they can choose:

1. to accept a state school place
2. to pay the going rate for a private education service
3. to home-school

I would just like to add that over 90% of children in this country go to state schools and many are thriving there and getting fantastic results, friendships and experiences. Of course with Government under-funding there are challenges but it's not the pit of despair that some private school parents seem to think it is!

Presumably pupils who are funded by local authorities will have an EHCP so will be exempt. Funded places are like hen's teeth, so I can't see any LAs offering them with out diagnoses and paperwork.

Thanks for that information. Yes, I was wondering if perhaps the state even subsidises private to some extent - as education is highly valued. Also, your local state school is likely to be better because the parents want the kids to do well, so there isn't such a gap and not so much resentment over people able to afford private. The 'We don't need no education' is an English attitude that you don't find in Ireland or Scotland, or, in fact, most places in the world. But people are so insular, they don't realise how odd and self-defeating their attitudes actually are.

I think maybe one of the big differences is this:
figures released by the Department of Education showed €128m funding from the State last year to private schools. This funding pays teachers’ salaries and pays for special needs assistants.
Does the UK state contribute to teacher salaries? It is a massive issue here but it does mean the gulf between fee paying schools and state schools is no where near as big in Ireland as in the UK, and exam results show that. More often then not it is state schools that are topping the league tables of best schools.

Is this a duck you post to everyone that's expecting private school parents to pay 20% more. Feels like a ' we going to screw you back over' post. Newsflash you probably already are.

Of course the vast majority will be fine, it's what makes all the dummy-spitting on here so funny!

Difficult question to answer. They say it's because of recent changes in teacher pension schemes, plus just general inflation/rising costs of everything. Most schools are run by a board of governors that doesn't get paid anything, so there's no reason for them to raise the fees beyond what's necessary. It would be interesting to know what Ireland is doing differently, though. Education in general is more highly valued in Ireland and perhaps land is cheaper?

For those that send your kids to private school and are concerned about the proposed VAT increase on fees have you ever questioned why fee paying schools in the UK are so bloody expensive? My db is in the UK and his kids are in a private school. The fees are almost double what the most expensive fee paying school in Ireland is (€10,000 in Ireland), majority here are between €3k and 10k per annum. Surely this needs to be also questioned. Why are schools charging so much in the UK?

I know its not reallythe point of the thread but seriously - 'Entitled arseholes', 'lower class oiks' - there some lovely people on this thread! Do you know what I choose not to do? Judge kids on how much money their parents make, or adults on how successful they are.
Op you may have meant your thread in a bit of a jokey way but seriously, with how much people are struggling right now it's pretty low to go on about how you will just spend you fortune on other things people cant afford instead. Similarly, assuming everyone who send their kids to private school are entitled twats really does just scream jealousy.
For the record I'd say I'm in the middle, we probably couldn't afford private school but I know some of the most generous, wonderful people who do. Thankfully we aren't overly struggling either but know people that are and would still give you their last penny to help. I prefer to judge people on how they treat others and hope my kids are the same regardless of their friends wealth

My kids don't go to private school. I have no skin in the game. As a charity trustee you are obliged to do the best thing for the beneficiaries of the charity which would include maximising the charity's financial resources. It's unlikely that HMRC is a beneficiary of any of the charities. Who is a beneficiary should be defined in the individual charity's governing document and they should discuss that in their publicly available accounts.
Tax planning is done by many individuals and organisations. Personally I avoid tax by paying into my pension, keeping my savings in an ISA and using gift aid when I donate to charity. I also claim my legitimate business expenses on my tax return.
If government wants to prevent these actions it's up to them to draft legislation to do so, such as by stopping landlords claiming certain expenses.

🤣 I could afford to send my kids anywhere, but I don't. I always think those that do are a bit simple and the OP is proving my point.

What nastiness.

Or maybe I was being Ironic?

Re, “The rest of ‘us” not paying school fees but using state resources to attend state schools:

There are lots of “us” not sending children to private schools who are privileged in so many ways from the food “we” eat, the professions “we” are in, the level of education “we” enjoy, including being able to fund tutors for our children, the savings bank-tax-free houses we are in, in good school areas / from cradle to grave - which all mark “us” out as advantaged. “Pampered” whatever we think.

Just try living in a grammar school area in Kent!

Maybe some of “the rest of us” should all be paying some fees, dependant on higher incomes, to make nurseries and schools in poorer areas much better, and all schools better for everyone. (Rather than depending on the ‘societal pot’ provided by private school parents not taking up state school funding which a previous poster mentioned, and now proposing VAT in addition.)

Whether or not people go on to pay VAT for private education, your “pampered clowns” post is just nasty.

The poorest children will still be at a disadvantage on so many levels right from when they are born.

Loads of spaces in schools? It must be very area dependent. Secondary schools here are all oversubscribed. Yes, there is one "in measures" school I am sure has places, but would you want your child going there, whether they currently go to private or state, I can guarantee you wouldn't.