To think parents of private education school children will be fine

Someone in the 100-125k tax bracket has an effective tax rate of 68%. It’s actually those on lower incomes that are taxed less in this country.

"Well is was exactly those type of jobs that my DC’s private school cut during COVID so you are very, very wrong if you think it’s not going to happen with the VAT increase."

I'm not wrong, you are comparing very different circumstances.

Keep pleading though, fun to watch.

Well is was exactly those type of jobs that my DC’s private school cut during COVID so you are very, very wrong if you think it’s not going to happen with the VAT increase.

""Why don’t you offer to pay a bit more towards your own child’s free education rather than expect others to do it for you?"

And I answered it, many parents already pay contributions directly to their schools

Why do you expect tax privileges for buying your child advantages? Why do you expect to live in a country that has lower than average tax rates on higher earners, on wealth, on virtually everything that advantages the well off whilst the rest of the country crumbles?

But really, I suspect you made this point because you want to make the whole "problem with socialists" point, which actually is a fallacy.

But hey, Labour are going to win, and most people will just pay the tax.

Although I must say, PE parents whining here have really, really misread the public mood and have lost sympathy, rather than built a consensus for their cause.

You still haven’t answered my question

"Why don’t you offer to pay a bit more towards your own child’s free education rather than expect others to do it for you?"

@Cantgetyou

If many can't afford 20% extra then they would be shocked about the fee rises over the last 10 years.

"But what about all the staff employed by private schools? Not just the teachers but the admin staff, gardeners, handymen, coach drivers, dinner ladies, laundry staff, cleaners etc etc. Also the local businesses who supply the school. All of whom depend on the school for their livelihoods and will be the first to be culled if schools have to make severe savings."

Appeal to emotion fail. Almost all, if not all, of these people will still get paid, it isn't going to be in this type of cost that is cut.

Ahhhh, you;re one of THOSE.

"Why don’t you offer to pay a bit more towards your own child’s free education rather than expect others to do it for you?"

Why do you expect for the state to cut you special tax privileges so that you can buy your child advantages?

"If the state education system is in the dire need that it is made out to be, means test all those people on larger salaries using the state system and have them give a termly or yearly contribution! "

Nah, we'll just tax private school parents instead. They mostly will just pay. Most will be able to afford it. Also, many schools ask for extra contributions and parents pay them.

" This is what other less regressive countries do rather than expect other parents, already paying towards their children’s education and more then likely already paying higher rate tax, to cough up even more!!

Other countries tax their higher earners at a higher rate, they tax wealth and they tax profits at a higher rate. If Labour were trying to do that all of you would be screaming from the rafters about it too.

The private school parents may be fine (although from my experience working in admissions, many won’t be able to pay an extra 20%).

But what about all the staff employed by private schools? Not just the teachers but the admin staff, gardeners, handymen, coach drivers, dinner ladies, laundry staff, cleaners etc etc. Also the local businesses who supply the school. All of whom depend on the school for their livelihoods and will be the first to be culled if schools have to make severe savings.

So Labour says private schools should make cuts? At the rural boarding school I work at, they are the biggest employer locally. There’s little alternative employment. Many people made unemployed by this Labour policy will end up needing state support.

If Labour go through with this, it will cause real hardship to ordinary working families.

No the £100k is the approximate cost of the new VAT over the course of my children’s education.

Who are you to assume this? Why don’t you offer to pay a bit more towards your own child’s free education rather than expect others to do it for you? If the state education system is in the dire need that it is made out to be, means test all those people on larger salaries using the state system and have them give a termly or yearly contribution! This is what other less regressive countries do rather than expect other parents, already paying towards their children’s education and more then likely already paying higher rate tax, to cough up even more!!

Yes, I know the actual VAT is 15%, and the rest is from the school and are to do with teacher pensions. That doesn't make it any more responsible for the government to add another 15%.

@MyNameIsFine

I don't think most will have to cut anything other than a bit of spending on non essentials.

What would like them to cut out? Their mortgage? their car insurance? their electricity bill?

You're paying 100k a year in fees and you are worried about 15?

The sacrifice would be working years in a job I hate (need to earn £180k gross to make the new £100k VAT bill for 2 kids).

We are looking at grammar schools and that would be a relief really, I could potentially be a SAHM or do a nice job that pays not much, as we’ll be saving £600k on the fees (including VAT).

I think many parents like us hate the thought of school fees, but feel guilt if we can afford private school but choose not to. In case private school will bring some far-from-guaranteed small advantage to our children. This just tips us over that guilt hurdle.

Hi there I had missed this was now in their literature. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction please. I am interested in what they have said about implementing it in the UK nations that don’t use EHCPs.

@MyNameIsFine

Most people will have that,

the rise from VAT will be 15% so actually the rest is from the school.

Maybe they should make some more SACRIFICES and tell us about it.

It's easy to be lovely when you have enough income to shrug off a 30-40% rise in the cost of a large spend over the space of three years.

Mine go to state school albeit a nice one but dd2 has voted with her feet and firmly ensconced herself smack in the middle of the private school set!

You probably do though 😂.
My kids are too rough for private school and too posh for their school. I should probably home educate the little tikes. But they seem to be surviving the state school despite having to be in the same class with people who's parents have <whispers> made up the spelling of their names.

Not sure where you got this info from. Internet I guess. Labour have proposed a carve out for SEN schools and kids on EHCPs, it’s in the literature. I also confirmed with my MP as my kid is in a private special needs school (paid for by local authority).

AND local authorities don’t pay VAT anyway on anything.

@Itllfalloff

It has been rather enlightening to see what some PE parents think of others, what they think of the schools most people go to, and just how they think they should be the exception to the rule because they are holier than thou because of their SACRIFICES.

Of course most of the parents are lovely, don't think these things, and will actually, just pay the VAT and get on with it.

Isn't the proposal that VAT won't apply for children with EHCPs? The vast majority of children in special schools do have them.

‘It’s weird to have this victim mentality that the general population “hate” private school parents and then this odd angry “well I’ll take what I can get from the state” makes you sound slightly unhinged. ‘

yup! Go ahead and ‘take’ what you can from the ‘state’. That’s the WHOLE point of paying taxes! To provide services that everyone can use - you aren’t doing anyone a ‘favour’ by paying for things you would as part of that tax payment anyway.
What’s next, you going to ‘take’ having your bins emptied?’take’ having a local library? ‘Take’ having bus services, playgrounds?

‘Take’ away… in fact I would argue that the more people who use public services - without opting out to use private versions - the more invested everyone will be in making them better for everyone.