To think parents of private education school children will be fine

Most of them will be. The majority of private school parents who are whining have become accustomed to the most vulnerable in society being shat on from a great height whilst they sit back, I'm Alright Jack.

It's time for a bit of fairness.

" I’m sorry job losses and hardship don't appeal to your emotions."

Please do not make out that any of this is some kind of benevolence,

None of it is going to result in large lay offs but the way you are presenting it is like it is.

It was an appeal to emotion, fail.

This is the REALITY for me and others at the private school I work at (which my DC do not attend). I’m sorry job losses and hardship don't appeal to your emotions.

If you think it’s easy to walk into alternative jobs in an impoverished rural economy, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

Low skilled jobs will be the first to be cut in an economy drive.

I can assure you that they will cut staff. I am a governor of a local prep school and have friends who are governors at others. We are all reluctantly looking at cutting staff numbers.. we have a few acres that are not being used for sports pitches, they are enjoyed by walkers etc as a public footpath runs through them. We are probably going to cut the number of groundstaff, mow the footpath only and leave the rest alone. One less groundsman.
Another school has a minibus driver who takes the children on school trips and to matches. They are now going to arrange more local matches, and fewer school trips. One less minibus driver needed.
Another school employs a local woman who comes in and teaches the younger children cookery skills. They are going to swap that role and give it to one of the catering staff and absorb that woman’s work amongst the others. One less chef needed.
Another school is a boarding school… they employ gap year students to help in the boarding houses and to give them experience of sports coaching etc. they don’t need to hire as many as they do so they’ll cut these too.

it beggars belief that you think that staff costs won’t be considered and cut. Yes this may be economising, but it is also taking away jobs and opportunities.

This policy will likely affect those on bursaries or scholarships, who are already being "subsidised" by full fee paying parents.

The question is at what tipping point the smaller private schools (who don't have the resources of Eton etc.), will become non-viable when attrition into the state impacts.

For example we had 3 at private (1 remaining), and I would guess if 10-15% of children were to leave the school would have to close. If they increased the fees to the remaining 85% to cover the deficit I doubt we'd see value and switch schools.

That would have wide ranging implications for staff, suppliers, contractors as well as pupils who all lose.

I checked and our termly fees have already increased by over 20% in the last two years alone. I suspect when VAT is added they will support from this legacy increase combined with VAT reclaim which they currently miss out on.

What's "most likely a load of rubbish"? That 80% of a school's outgoings is staff? Because this is absolutely true

Oh common, it’s just basic economics. Or are you denying that the biggest cost for a private school is its staff?!

I’m not the one spouting rubbish.

I think fee remissions for teachers might reduce slightly in percentage terms for schools struggling the most, but there's no way they will do away with them. They are a massive draw to recruit, and more crucially retain, teachers.

Bursaries on the other hand, totally see these being done away with, particularly if funded solely from fee income. Schools will support their existing parents who are actually providing their income. On this particular policy, it really is a race to the bottom for Labour.

No they won't as this is a great attraction for recruitment.

Parents will just pay the higher fees.

Very little else will change.

" Labour are telling schools that they will have to absorb the costs. If 70- 80% of your costs are staff, then there will have to be cuts."

Lots of big assumptions you are making, just to fit your narrative.

Most likely a load of rubbish.

@Sk1lark
As do all the parents of bullied SEN kids who use state schools and who form a massive majority. Our children cope, yours will too.
Cope? Well according to you YOUR child is coping. Some don't. Some kill themselves. But that's ok isn't it. You have to accept losing a few of the weaker ones 🙄

The first thing to disappear completely will be supported places for lower income and children of teachers.

If parents are now going to be paying £50k extra tax per child for the state education of other people’s children, all goodwill will diminish towards subsidising private education for anyone else.

It’s £50k tax per child over 12 years, assuming £21k fees per year.

I can assure you that’s what happens in most private organisations. Yes, the people left do more work and often become disgruntled. It’s obvious that people are going to lose jobs over this. Labour are telling schools that they will have to absorb the costs. If 70- 80% of your costs are staff, then there will have to be cuts.

"Of course there are ways to cut support staff."

Well, no because then it means that others have to do more and that doesn't work.

What might happen is Private schools might become more efficient.

Of course there are ways to cut support staff. One less cleaner, one less grounds staff, one less security guard, a receptionist, a couple of sports coaches….it all adds up.

As said, I don't think lower paid staff will lose their jobs, they are essential to the school's operation.

"I noticed the other day that my DC’s school has a robot lawnmower, that’s one way to cut ground staff. "

That's the price of automation, not to do with this.

"There are ways to cut staff and still function"

Not really with those jobs in a school.

But anyway.

And two wrongs don’t make a right do they? But you are happy for other lower paid staff to suffer. Of course it’s likely that they will cut some roles. I noticed the other day that my DC’s school has a robot lawnmower, that’s one way to cut ground staff. And they’re in the process of closing the uniform shop. There are ways to cut staff and still function. Just ask any private company. The one I work for has got rid of 30% of its staff in the last 18 months and it’s still functioning.

@Dibblydoodahdah

You're making appeals to emotion now "think about the other people's jobs" as I said, its unlikely schools are going to cut the jobs which mean that the school continues to function, they really won't. There are many ways to cut costs in a school without this, just ask state schools who have been asked to cut more and more for over a decade.

@Dibblydoodahdah

I'm not a lower paid worker, oh and I'm fucking really wealthy toobut then I pay lot of tax.

But the difference before and after taxes in most of those other countries, due to benefits etc, would mean that lower paid workers probably come out somewhere that works out about equal.

Although, even if they were slightly worse off most people would take that for functioning services. The higher paid however, pay a lot more tax.

There she goes the private school teacher who doesn’t care about anyone else’s jobs. Of course it’s the same thing, if there’s a need to cut costs, it will be the admin and support staff that go first. They’re not getting rid of the maths and science teachers.

"so what? Lower paid people abroad pay more tax than the UK too."

I dunno, but where they do they get significantly higher benefits and public services too.

It’s shocking how you lower paid workers don’t understand that you would pay more in other countries.

so what? Lower paid people abroad pay more tax than the UK too.

"Someone in the 100-125k tax bracket has an effective tax rate of 68%. It’s actually those on lower incomes that are taxed less in this country."

Oh and the mental gymnastics to make out that you are paying higher taxes than just about everybody else are just great.

Average tax rate and marginal tax rates are higher on the higher paid in other countries.

It's shocking how many of you "higher rate payers" don't get this.