Green Party pledge to reduce c section rates

Just when you thought The Greens couldn't be anymore ridiculous they always manage it.

I used to campaign and vote for the Green Party back in the day when their policies were based on saving the environment. The
natural world is still something I'm passionate about but FFS I would never vote for them now.

😂

Another political party off the potential voting list.

There have been studies in Canada on this and long term it’s better for the elective section mums. Even when looking at cost as long term they require less ongoing support than those with vaginal births and of course less than those who have an EMCS

My consultants face when I took that research paper with me to my appt to ‘fight’ for my section was a picture

This is wrong btw. Women have been able to choose to have a c-section for many years.

Interestingly, if it's all about money, health economists are unclear if in the long term c-sections are more costly.

One of the biggest (in some Trusts up to 20%) costs maternity services have relates to legal costs and payouts when things go wrong (e.g. brain hypoxia, cerebral palsy, stillbirth). This disproportionately results from vaginal births, not c-sections. There are also some long term complications (e.g. prolapse, pelvic floor issues) that cost a lot of money in later life and again are more related to vaginal births. There have been articles about this BMJ, if I can locate them I'll link.

And in the local elections the Green party seems to have been either hijacked or willingly gone along with being a protest vote for people opposed to the events in Gaza, which kind of skews their policies in a completely non-environmental direction that many are not aware of.
Edited to add - not a political criticism, just that they need to be more open about their non-environmental policies.

The Greens are a bunch of idiots. As other pps have said just look at what happened in Scotland when they got involved in government. They're not an environmental party any more.

My natural birth resulted in me having blood transfusions and an emergency hysterectomy to stop me bleeding to death.

Yes, I had also been 'taught' by NCT that C-sections were bad and I should under no circumstances agree to one. If I hadn't gone into labour naturally with a stuck breech baby and had little choice other than to have an emergency C-section, my baby might not been born healthily. In retrospect, all the agonising over an elective C-section was unnecessary and there should be no shame in taking advantage of modern surgery to increase the chance of healthy babies and healthy mothers. Very sad to think there are groups out there that see these procedures as undesirable, requiring reduction/limitation in numbers, being less available. It will invariably lead to unnecessary infant and maternal deaths.

I absolutely wouldn’t want a political party deciding this. Only medical professionals. I wanted a vaginal birth, had an emergency c section. I wanted a VBAC for second birth as I do believe natural where possible.
My baby was in serious distress and I was still begging them to let me have a VBAC. thank fuck the consultant put me under for a general anaesthetic immediately and got my baby out in minutes. She was born not breathing and terrible apgar scor. Had to go to NICU. Luckily no brain damage.

I was obsessed with trying for a natural birth second time and it almost damaged my baby’s health.

Oh, the Greens. So many shades of hating women.

"What does it say about their attitude to women?"

Sadly, I think we KNOW what the GP's attitude towards women is.

I used to be a lot more NCT about this. Until I'd actually become pregnant, had a couple of MCs, given birth and experienced some of the things that pregnancy and motherhood can throw at you. Women are allowed to request elective c-sections and thank god it's now a lot more acceptable. I didn't need one and I didn't want one, but I know lots of women who did want one, for a wide variety of reasons. I'm really glad that the NHS has broadly moved on to a position where they accommodate women in their needs and wants, and the GP appears to want to take us back. No thanks.

No hospital gives you a c section if you don’t need one. It’s already restricted to being an “as necessary” intervention.

How do the Greens intend to ensure that fewer c sections are necessary? Otherwise they’re talking about not giving c sections to women and babies who need them.

Have the Greens been taken over by the NCT?
Shame on those women having C-sections! Was it absolutely necessary? Are you sure? Are you sure you weren't just taking the easy option? Lucky you, I had to have a vaginal birth and now I've got urinary incontinence and varicose veins! Oh, you have those too due to carrying a huge baby weighing on your pelvis for several months? Surely not, only vaginal births matter, C-sections are the easy route for lazy mothers and now you have skipped all the complications while also damaging your baby. Shame!

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice re breaking waters manually. There shouldn't be a blanket policy, it should be decided on individual cases, with the labouring woman having the last say. I was in labour six hours longer than I needed to be because the hospital had a, no, policy. The MW came in on duty and told me to say that I'm going home to break my waters with a knitting needle, so I did. That meant she could break my waters and I delivered within twenty minutes. I was exhausted and I believe it contributed to me not bonding as I did with my other two. I, my Mum and my DD have all needed our waters breaking, that's been the total intervention needed. Again it's dismissing the needs and wants of the labouring woman.

Absolutely. I lived in Brighton during the time they were running it and shit show describes it exactly.

The chances of them ending up being able to influence policy about anything in this country is so remote I really wouldn't give credence or head space to anything they prate.

Given the Green Party struggle to understand what woman is, I wonder which 'women' this will be applied to?

It is just pregnant women or are they including the pregnant men as well? 😉😉

Terrible policy from a party who hate women. Why is 'natural' childbirth so venerated? The lifetime risk of dying in childbirth for women in Africa is 1 in 8 - obviously many other factors at work but childbirth unfortunately comes with a risk of serious harm or death to woman and child. We need more resources, more (and better) midwives and doctors and the appropriate care each individual woman needs, not medical policy based on political targets.

Thank you for sharing this OP. I am absolutely enraged by this by reasons others have expressed more eloquently than I can.

I'm definitely not voting Greens then.

I've never seen a more ignorant pile of shit.

Absolute bunch of melts. They have no business getting involved in this. As a non man (their preferred term) I say "fuck off".

Under his eye.

This is about the control of women and about castigating women for needing normal medical interventions.

IF this is a cost issue then how can they justify the fact that they are pro-medicalisation for trans people? That is unneccessary and costly intervention!

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/lost-deposits/

The same. I was thinking the other day that maybe I need to look have beyond the usual box ( labelled Labour for me) No way now!
I’m over 50, had vaginal birth and my DD won’t have children due to her disability but I can’t tolerate this awful regression even mentally. F* that !!!!
Is this their new way to reduce human impact in the natural environment?

The greens have always gone after women. They disagree with our very existence the majority of the times. They’ll also want to look at reducing abortion rates and curtailing the freedoms of women if they are ever in power. I’d not vote for any party willing to do dealings with them.