To feel uncomfortable in working class pubs as a woman of colour?

That’s the point though isn’t it @AliceMcK

When I go to a pub I don’t care what the patrons think or believe just as long as it’s hidden away enough that I don’t pick up on it. Racism may be everywhere but some people feel more comfortable expressing it than others. If I’m sharing a public space with strangers then I prefer the polite / civil racists any day

I am really sorry you feel this way and experience this.

I feel uncomfortable going in our local 'builders' pub as its full of right knob head men. I can't even begin to understand how it must be for you as a person of colour as well as a woman.

Why are you trying to make someone else’s thread about you and your life experience?

@Dreamsaregood talk to your friends. Yes, it shouldn't be on you to educate them, but your experience can teach them in this case, and hopefully you get some support and solidarity. I dislike that I still notice when I'm the only WOC in pubs, I wish I didn't notice and some times therefore be on alert. Hope you are feeling more steady today.

Who’s being naive, you are right, the op stated her experience in a “working class pub” I stated my experience growing up and working in both working class and middle class pubs. The customers in working class pubs in general are no more or less racist than people who drink in middles class pubs. I at no point insulted the op or belittled her experience. I also dint resort to name calling.

If anyone is gross or a tit it’s the person who referred to the working classes as poor people. And has to finish every comment with name calling.

i clearly stated racism is everywhere and MY experience is middle class pubs have just as much racism they just hide it better.

@Getonwitit considering she was with a group of WOMEN and she was the only POC. Yes it's obvious it was about race🙄.
Maybe keep of this thread if you're going to ask silly questions you're coming across as ignorant

@AliceMcK she clearly stated “working class pub” and talked about her experience within that pub and whether she’d be unreasonable to avoid other working class pubs. The fact you’re working so hard to keep up the faux naivety is gross.

I hear you OP. As a black woman I know about the wounding actions from people, who would never mention the colour of my skin, as a reason for their mistreatment of me. The term Misogynoir is what you experienced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynoir

Why should you be piled on? What you say makes perfect sense to me. The film A Patch Of Blue, is exactly about what you are trying to convey here.

I'm hoping that was where my post was going...! But then its been a long day and my brains are currently resembling scrambled eggs.

It’s fine to find something relatable.

It’s not ok to minimise op experience. She knows it was as a result of her race.

She has clearly stated “working class”. And who said every working class person is poor??? Maybe you should look in the mirror if you want to know what a tit looks like 🙄

The problem is human nature @HelloOhHell - it is an innate trait in us to identify with something someone else has experienced. It is a survival trait, to not be seen as an outsider, and proffering similar experiences can make you seem more appealing and likeable to others, ironically enough! Unfortunately you cannot as a white woman, ever identify with an experience of a WoC as you have no basis for comparison, but it doesn't stop the compulsion. People need to recognise in themselves the impulse they immediately felt (I won't lie, I felt it too, immediately thinking of times when I've felt othered or an outsider, but it isn't relevant here!) and listen and learn. That's all we can ask for really!

Oh edited because of stupid lazy fat fingers and an inability to type today!

yes- solidarity in minimising what OP said. diabolical wasn’t even strong enough- look at how the well meaning allies continue to “all women” all over this post.

I’ve had this too.

Walked into a pub in a predominantly white area. Silence. Even the white guy i was with noticed. Lots of staring.

To some extent it’s better than it was but at least racists made themselves known in the past. Now I sort of get reminded. It’s more obtuse but it’s there. You just know.

Oh bless you @Dreamsaregood it can't be easy. They may surprise you and they are obviously a good group of friends who I suspect love you to bits too and will feel awful they have been so blind. We are human, all fallible, and we shouldn't ever stop trying to be better. I wish you all the best.

Intersectionality… a lot of you need to go and pick up a book, you’re embarrassing yourselves.

Can you not see your own prejudices in this way of thinking though?

I'd say it would be a double whammy. The act of women going to pubs alone, coupled with lack of local poc. Drunk old school bigoted white working class men. Yeah, I can see that happening in certain places.

I've experienced a lot of that as I used to stop off in pubs to do my admin when visiting some really deprived areas for work. I'm white, so I'd imagine it could be worse for poc. A lot of the punters seemed like they were far right, and very unfriendly seeming.

But surely there must be nicer, more welcoming pubs in the locale. Some really are just cliquey and rough as toast. But others are cool, friendly, fun etc. don't let it put you off going to pubs in general.

Write a bad TripAdvisor about that one though, they sound rubbish.

HelloOhHell
“all women-ing” OP when she clearly said what she said is diabolical
diabolical is a bit strong isn’t it? Commenters were just showing solidarity with op

@AliceMcK The OP isn’t saying every poor person is racist, she’s saying there’s certain venues where that racism is allowed and accepted. All you’ve done is make yourself look like a tit by attempting to chastise the OP, well done.

@Kendodd Exactly! I went to university with men like Johnson and Farage, and have never understood the white working class admiration for a type of person who utterly despises them, to the point of barely thinking them human.