To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

People attempting to equate what the Israeli Government are doing today to what the Nazis did in WW2 are stunningly, terrifyingly ignorant.

There is terrorism and war and all the horrors and tragedies of that - but what the Nazis (and the Japanese) were doing in WW2 was beyond anything that I expect any of us on here could ever truly contemplate or understand.

Terms like "genocide" need to be very carefully used so as to not undermine what it really means. And, worryingly, much of the reporting of the international law aspects of the current situation have been inaccurate or just flat out incorrect.

your ability to silence people with cries of "anti-semitism" declines quite

Oh yes , we're always "crying" anti semitism aren't we? Bore off ....we've heard it all before

But Israel isn't just a Jewish state

But it is a Jewish state. The only Jewish state.

criticising the actions of the government is not the same as criticising the whole country

But using Nazi comparisons to criticise the actions of the government of the world's only Jewish state is something that antisemites love to do. Why are you so keen to join them?

Other regimes that imprison people without charge get compared to the Nazis ( I've heard it used for Iran/ the Saddam Regime in Iraq etc), I've heard the policies of the Chinese government towards the Uyghur Muslims compared, so its not just Israel is it?

Well then you can compare Israel's actions to those of the Chinese government then, can't you? And avoid the awkwardly antisemitic Nazi comparisons without having to redefine antisemitism. Job done.
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Gaza is a giant refugee camp full of mostly second-generation displaced people, yes. But as I have no doubt you are aware, the forcible displacement of Palestinians has been ongoing since 1948, and is still happening today. This is common knowledge (and the ridiculous embargo on talking about it has collapsed, because once you spend a few months systematically murdering unarmed civilians, your ability to silence people with cries of "anti-semitism" declines quite sharply).

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours "I'm not sure anyone whose actually serious about peace is talking about the original line"

I don't see why not, I think a total reset to the original plan would be the best thing, with Jerusalem being a UN city as planned.

It is whatabouterry to discuss the return of Jews ( who migrated to Israel from other Middle East states due to a number of reasons of which persecution was one) getting land back BEFORE allowing the return of Palestinians expelled in the Nabka.

There is only one way that this situation resolves its self, is by the return of these people to the land that they had once. The original intention of the UN was not that they should have been forced out in the first place.

and Yes, those forced out of other countries because of persecution should be compensated, however very few of these people are still refugees till this day where as the Palestinains are.

@noblegiraffe

But Israel isn't just a Jewish state, as its supporters here keep pointing out, and criticising the actions of the government is not the same as criticising the whole country or its largest ethnic group.

Other regimes that imprison people without charge get compared to the Nazis ( I've heard it used for Iran/ the Saddam Regime in Iraq etc), I've heard the policies of the Chinese government towards the Uyghur Muslims compared, so its not just Israel is it?

Is it that it makes you uncomfortable that the comparison is accurate?

Deflect away, but keep using that word and it loses its power, it already has done since this conflict started and all sorts of international institutions and aid providers, all the protestors (including Jewish ones) are suddenly anti-Semitic.

I'm not sure anyone whose actually serious about peace is talking about the original lines. They're talking about 1967 lines when Israel occupied the land from Egypt and Jordan.

And it's not whattaboutery to point out how insane your suggestion of moving all Palestinians back in to their exact houses from 80 years ago is. Because that's all I was doing - pointing out why your suggestion is absolutely ridiculous. I have no intention of kicking people out of their homes in Iraq or Poland to get back what they took from my immediate family. Because that would be absolute lunacy.

@sprigatito Israel was created over 80 years ago. Where do you really think most living in Gaza were born?

No innocent Israelis to be found? No dodgy Palestinians anywhere?

Extraordinary dividing into goodies and baddies here.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

Because currently these things are not discussed as part of the two state solution and certainly wouldn't be negotiated by the Israeli government. No fevered imagination here, just asking questions regarding your stance.

"How about they can start discussing Palestinian right to return the day negotiations have been successful for those who live there now to regain their own right of return and their land and houses secured wherever they came from?"

Lets start with Israel first, this is the area where the issues are now. Although this is really good whataboutism.

I'd be quite happy for the original UN mandate to be implemented.

@YourPinkDog surely you must know that's claptrap.

Sorry meant to type not in support of Israel, I am wholly on the side of innocent people and in this case it is the Palestinians.

No. If they are not Israeli citizens they were born in Gaza

The reasons given were not strong, and I would agree if it was comparing Jews to Nazis specifically, but it isn't, its the actions of the Israeli government, which is different.

The Jewish state, Israel? We've gone over this.

'The reasons given were not strong so I'm going to override the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on this because I really want to compare (the Jewish State) Israel's government to Nazis.'?

Not the bit where they came up with final solution to the Jewish question though, of course not that bit, but "How about the imprisoning of people without charge?" (quote from your post) because you really really really can't think of any other regime that did anything like that and so the Nazis it is.

I'm not aware of anyone on here who has said it is. It's not my fault that you and so many other posters on here have a vivid imagination and use it to come up with whole conversations that haven't taken place.

How about they can start discussing Palestinian right to return the day negotiations have been successful for those who live there now to regain their own right of return and their land and houses secured wherever they came from?

Obviously you'd have to kick millions upon millions of people out of their houses in Europe and the Arab world, and then kick even more millions of people out of their homes to make place for them etc etc but that's obviously not a problem as long as Palestinians are back where they lived 80 years ago.

Or is it only the Palestinians you're worried about?

@noblegiraffe

The reasons given were not strong, and I would agree if it was comparing Jews to Nazis specifically, but it isn't, its the actions of the Israeli government, which is different.

I think its an easy way to deflect criticism and comparison which makes supporters of the Israeli governments policies uncomfortable. After all one of the justifications that people give for the creation of the Israeli state by the 1948 mandate is that it was made clear by the actions of the Nazis that they needed their own state.

"an equal right"

An equal right to return for the families of those expelled in the Nabka? A return of the property seized? A return to the borders set out in the 1948 mandate?

I'm not ignoring the fact that Jews and Palestinians are descended from the same people, I've pointed out that some supporters of Israel use the historic claims to make out that the claim of Israel to the land is stronger, it really isn't.

It was explained to you by more than one person why this particular point is on the list but you have decided that the definition of antisemitism is wrong because you really want to compare Jews to Nazis.

No, I happen to think both people have a right to live there. An equal right.

Jews are also descendants of the very same people. I'm not sure why you and so many others keep ignoring that.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours Its amazing that you appear to ignore the fact that the current Palestinian population is descendant from the population which has lived in the region for more than that 800 years ( this is just merely the point at which it became a muslim majority, not because of invasions but conversions from Chritianity).

Its strange though, the historic claims used by some supporters of Israel mean that they think people descended from people who lived in the region 2000 years ago have more right to live there than people that never left and should displace them.

I still find it interesting that so many people seem to have decided history started 800 years ago. It's incredibly odd.

Israelis have no one to blame but themselves. Any country built on the foundation of displacing ,
Murder of millions of people and bombing hospitals and schools doesn’t have a future.

It will eventually self combust

Why did Jews leave the region? And what about those who lived there more recently than 2000 years? How long does someone have to have lived there for you to consider them allowed to stay? And where do you think the Jews who did come from elsewhere in the past 80 years should go?

Calling me an Islamophobe is an incredibly fucked up thing to do. It's pathetic and a completely baseless accusation.