To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

Who said that??

You quite literally said: “Further, why did Hamas attack so brutally in the first place knowing exactly what Israel would do to their families and their communities in response?”

That is part and parcel victim blaming. Israel has no right to completely decimate Palestinians’ lives because of Hamas’ attacks

I am mostly definitely not blaming the victims! Not the innocent Israeli young people on 7th October. Not the innocent Palestinian women and children. Unless, you meant that Hamas are victims? And blaming them is victim blaming? Is that what you meant @crispychickenwings ?

Also for the record, the use of rape is always horrific and barbaric regardless.

Who is it that commits the majority of terrorism in the West? Is it Israeli Jews?

Their treatment of Arab/Muslim citizens is well documented - major waterways and sewers diverted away from majority Arab towns to populations with larger Jewish populations during periods of drought. Arab citizens face greater bureaucracy with limited access to resources such as hospitals, policing and education.

In what ways does Israel discriminate against those who don't follow Judaism?

I've not read any of the other comments but I think most young people probably agree with the comment on that basis that Israel is state based upon religion and in this day and age, that isn't something most people agree with. There is undoubtedly also an element of ppl who will vote that way in a protest against Israel's actions in Gaza but I certainly don't think it stems from anti-Semitism.

The issue with any state founded upon a particular religion is that it paves the way for discrimination, apartheid and lowering the rights of citizens that don't prescribe to that religion which is what Israel currently does. Malaysia does the same to citizens who openly turn their back on Islam. India is constitutionally a secular state but Modi and the BJP party want to amend the constitution to call it a 'Hindu' state so they can further erode the rights of Muslims and Christians.

I think if anything, the results of that poll are a win as it shows young people actually care about morality and ethics regardless of religion.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours But failing to acknowledge that the major transgressions against and oppressions of Palestinian people of the 20th and 21st centuries have been committed by the Israeli government.

"" as in both people are the same ethnicity and from the same land which then was randomly divvied up."

Hmm, as said the population in what is now Jordan was far more "Arab" than the Palestinian one though, I'm not sure you could class them as the same ethnicity.

The Palestinian population is genetically far more linked to the Jewish population.

Not diminishing Israel's responsibility, pointing out that others are also responsible because so many posters conveniently ignore it. It's frustrating.

Oh ok, to clarify I meant "a land full of Palestinians" as in both people are the same ethnicity and from the same land which then was randomly divvied up.

Where should they have gone to when, exactly? I don't really know what I'm trying to answer

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

I do love how you keep trying to diminish Israel's responsibility though.

Even after the creation of Israel Jewish people didn't leave Muslim countries for years. You need to read the brilliant Jewish academic historian Avi Shlaim.

You need to read what happened to Iraqi Jews.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

No I'm saying that Jordan is east of the river, and traditionally the populations in the North had more connections with Syria and in the South with the Arab peninsular than Palestine its self.

I do not think Jordan and Transjordan are compeltely different things.

You claimed "Jordan was Palestinian Land", it wasn't part of the British Mandate of Palestine ( in fact there was a mandate called Transjordan that was separate and the differences in the area and the populations were recognised by the British at the time).

Answer my question, where should the Palestinians who lived East of the River Jordan have gone to?

So you're trying to say that the people in Jordan have absolutely no links to Palestinians? Completely separate people, completely different ethnicity etc? And you think Jordan and Transjordan are completely different things?

"Oh, are you one of those people who doesn't realise Jordan was also Palestinian land?"

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

Shows up your ignorance here. Transjordan was always considered a different area.

What were the people who lived West of the river Jordan supposed to do, just move to Jordan? That was never the plan and they are in fact different populations.

But yeah, its everyone else that has fucked the Palenstinians over, it isn't one particular country in the majority, oh no, no.

What Zionist propaganda texts?! Stop making such utterly ridiculous accusations.

Are you trying to claim that Jews have always been considered equal citizens in the Muslim world?

@crispychickenwings that's part of it, but the narrative regarding the whole issue hasbeen heavily in Israel's favour for decades.

You can see it here: " The Palestinians rejected the two state solution in 1948", they weren't asked, other Arab nations did vote against it though, there was no right to self determination.

The whole narrative on the Nabka being that the Palestinians left of their own accord at the behest of the Arab nations, and that there were no war crimes.

Israel has been a master of propaganda for years, but this is never pointed out.

You might want to leave your Zionist propoganda texts. It is imperative for the existence of Israel that antisemitism is a universal global scourge. In reality on planet earth and in actual history Jews expelled from France and Spain in 12/13 centuries sough refuge in Moorish Spain. When in 1492 Isabelle and Ferdinand expelled the Moors from Spain and began the Inquisition (in contravention of the surrender terms in which the Moor Boabdil had explicitly said Jews should not be harassed or abused) the Jewish population sought refuge in Ottoman Palestine. This is where they lived for the next 458 years in peace as a minority amongst Muslims. Whilst Europe was expelling and pogromming for more than a 1000 years, the Muslim world preserved the Jewish population. Even after the creation of Israel Jewish people didn't leave Muslim countries for years. You need to read the brilliant Jewish academic historian Avi Shlaim.

@Aladdinzane exactly- I believe unconscious racism and Islamophobia is a large part of this. The West already paints Arab Muslims as ‘the bad guys’, I’m sure this view heavily affects the perspective of the Israel/Palestine conflict too.

@crispychickenwings

They always decry Hamas but defend Israel or steadfastly ignore little facts ( like the fact that they wanted this to have started Oct 7th).

ITs funny that decades of human rights abuses, international law breaches and the massive oppression of a particular ethnic grouping garners such defences.

"Disinformation and propaganda are actively widely used in this sort of conflict - including by third party bad actors.... The more horrendous the image, the more support and money donated, the more hatred generated for the other side."

I'm assuming you are also going to discuss the massive amounts of disinformation spread by the IDF and the Israeli government themselves here?

@Bunnyasmyname how eloquent

@DownNative I assume you would’ve been in support of apartheid South Africa then. What South Africa has proven is that disenfranchised people will rise up when faced with injustice, through violence or other means. It would’ve been nonsense for Mandela to reproach violent organisations, because he’d understand why.

What that person was saying was that the definition of terrorist is entirely subjective, and the West uses it whenever they see fit + whenever it benefits them, when in reality, a lot of their own actions will match their definition of ‘terrorist’ too. E.g in destabilising countries and the establishment of imperial regimes.

So what do you want to happen?