To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

People are not complaining that how Israel was created means it should not exist.
This is a misreading. Many nations are born of blood and war. That is not the offence.
People are complaining that Israel was created to advantage one group of people from all over the world whilst simultaneously disadvantaging the people who were indigenous to that land. That is a colonial enterprise. There is the offence.
Also it's not that the nation should be wiped off the planet- what the students want is the colonial nature of the nation to be reversed. Simply stop giving a right of return to one group and not another group. That's what it means to say Israel should no longer exist given that's what it was created to do.

Well we'll see where these young people stand in 10-15 years time. It won't be chanting 'From the river to the sea....' Most have no idea which river or sea it refers to or what the message means.

Okay I'll try and be brief and explain to you, and others who have quoted my post, and trying to make this about other counties. The difference between Pak/Ind, or any other conflict in the world, isn't that it wasn't violent. All wars/land issues are violent and sadly people die etc. The difference in Pak/Ind situation, that posters are so keen to highlight to Justify the existence of Israel is that, Muslims/Hindus fought for their separate state on their own land, whereas in Israels case, it actually didn't exist at all, not for atleast 3000+ years - until about 1948, when folks from Europe/US, arrived and basically carved out a state from a land where Palestinains lived for over 2000+ yrs. Do you see the difference? I imagine you do, along with others who quoted my post, but will not admit to it. I have basically stated facts.

There was definitely a fair bit of cleansing going on at the time.

This is absolutely true but again you are making false analogies. Pakistani army committed war crimes against Bangladeshi population during the war. This is undisputed. That was a war between two armies where war crimes occurred. I fail to see how it relates to Israel. The concept of Israel is a supremacist one. That is not true of Bangladesh nor Pakistan.

My 20 year old son also

Interestingly my eldest child is studying history and international relations at university. They are not allowed to discuss the Israel Palestine conflict at all. It’s too much of a political hot potato which is frankly ridiculous.

They're allowed to debate Russia/Ukraine all they like (since most are agreed on who are the “Goodies” and who are the “Baddies” in that one.

People are complaining about how Israel was created as a reason for it not to exist today

Yet the same argument isn't being applied to other countries that were created with death and mass migration at around the same time.

There are many countries in the world that are committing atrocities. That have committed atrocities. There aren't people marching on the streets of London calling for them to be wiped off the map,

I in no way support Israel's actions in Gaza which are horrendous but it is extremely naive to think that young people aren't walking into this incredibly complex situation in the Middle East only informed by Israel's actions in Gaza to be welcomed by people with a ready made narrative and set of slogans and opinions who want Israel wiped off the map and have always wanted Israel wiped off the map because they hate the Jews.

It is entirely unsurprising to see these young people come to the conclusion that Israel should be wiped off the map when other peace protests have called for regime change not for the country to disappear.

PM of Israel, Benzion Mileikowsky, now known as Benjamin Netanyahu, born in Warsaw - but apparently he has more right to the land in Middle East than those who have lived there for over 2000s+ years.

It is a conflict in an area of the world most of them know absolutely nothing about apart from having had a few GCSE history lessons (possibly) seen prejudiced reporting, emotive footage and a huge wave of anti-semitic rhetoric by muslims and activists (exactly what you'd expect). They all love a protest and an opportunity to get out there shouting and indulging in a bit of social disorder about the current 'cool' issue. In 10-15 years time they'll have gone back to the suburbs, have jobs, be settling down and be living lives where protests about the middle-east are for younger people.

I find this so insulting and dismissive of young people at universities across the world. I think there are 90 encampments- from the USA to Japan. Did you stop to think for a moment that they might understand something you don't? Cos you're the one who sounds like Thatcher in the 1980s. Do you remember? She and Reagan would say with absolute conviction- the way to bring South Africa into the modern world is not sanctions but helping them to help their black population develop and learn etc.

They are actually taught an awful lot about the conflict. Both of mine studied it in depth. They held their own in a very heated debate with us (adults and lawyers). It’s a whole module in the gcse syllabus, not just a couple of lessons.

I don’t think you can dismiss young people as knowing nothing or as just being brainwashed into being anti semitic. Certainly both of my children view the Israelis as the oppressors and held this view prior to October. We are not religious but my mother was Jewish so it really isn’t just about racism.

WTF are you talking about? So much of your post is demonstrably false. It's hard to know where to start.

They definitely took a fair bit of pleasure in it.

Not meaning to disrespect your son, but how could he not have known about October 7th?

Your dismissal of the partition of India and Pakistan as being “just wanting their own land” grossly ignores the human impact which was horrific.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-40874496

There was definitely a fair bit of cleansing going on at the time.

I'm from that region, I know far more than you. This isn't about Indian region - this is about Israel - you're deflecting and trying to compare oranges with apples. It won't work anymore. A lot of people are seeing the reality.

@Marvintheparanoid I don't think Israel shouldn't exist, btw, but they need to accept the two-state solution seriously. And our governments need to stop propping them up.

We agree.

So much of this is wrong, it's difficult to know where to start.

@LuluBlakey1

" It is not a generation of young people protesting about a war where they and their friends are being conscripted to fight by their own government, where millions of their friends/family/neighbours/classmates have died."

Protests happened outside of the US too ( quite famously in the UK outside the US embassy). However, the intention wasn't to say that there is a exact comparison between the conflicts but to compare the sentiments expressed by the older generation about the young in order to undermine their protests.

Which of course the rest of your post does, rather than debate the issue you attack the people protesting. The fact that you'd commit such a blatant and obvious logical fallacy does rather undermine you.

From Wiki "The partition caused large-scale loss of life and an unprecedented migration between the two dominions.[6]Among refugees who survived, it solidified the belief that safety lay among co-religionists. In the instance of Pakistan, it made palpable a hitherto only-imagined refuge for the Muslims of British India.[7] The migrations took place hastily and with little warning. It is thought that between 14 million and 18 million people moved, and perhaps more. Excess mortality during the period of the partition is usually estimated to have been around one million.[8] The violent nature of the partition created an atmosphere of hostility and suspicion between India and Pakistan that affects their relationship to this day."

You don't seem to know much about the creation of Israel or Pakistan.

I don't agree and this is not Vietnam. It is not a generation of young people protesting about a war where they and their friends are being conscripted to fight by their own government, where millions of their friends/family/neighbours/classmates have died.

It is a conflict in an area of the world most of them know absolutely nothing about apart from having had a few GCSE history lessons (possibly) seen prejudiced reporting, emotive footage and a huge wave of anti-semitic rhetoric by muslims and activists (exactly what you'd expect). They all love a protest and an opportunity to get out there shouting and indulging in a bit of social disorder about the current 'cool' issue. In 10-15 years time they'll have gone back to the suburbs, have jobs, be settling down and be living lives where protests about the middle-east are for younger people.

@Aladdinzane I was making a completely separate point to another poster that anti Israel feeling isn’t down to anti semitism, and trying to back it up by saying that I had no reason to be anti semitic because I’d basically been taught to feel sorry for Jews in my education.

Sorry for the confusion.

Oh ok so which countries are more legitimate ones created by force during war or ones divided up* by negotiations?
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Countries that do not favour one group of citizens over another - whether on religious grounds or otherwise. Neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan occupy land illegally, cleanse it of indigenous people or operate roads/checkpoints/restrictions for one group while also subjecting them to military rule and arbitrary detention.

Do not entirely agree with this. I heard publishers some excellent articles (I haven’t read them all) and the point of Unherd (clue in the name) is to not just blindly accept mainstream media as gospel.

The BBC consistently reported on the crisis with bias, starting every time with emphasising that Hamas were a terrorist organisation, using biased language, and not reporting numbers of deaths accurately.