To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

Is this supposed to be a trick question?

But even before that, there was at least some Israeli/Jewish bit. So it leading you to the conclusion that "There are some bits of land that Israel claim today that they don't have the right to" may be valid, but it leading you to "Israel has no right to exist" isn't.

But they were elected, right? On the basis of a charter that called for the eradication of Israel and the death to Jews? So they were elected on the basis that they would commit genocide. They were elected after already having been declared a terrorist organisation by many countries.

The UN doesn't consider Hamas a terrorist organisation. They consider them a political group. An elected political group.

Do you think the way the UN mandate partitioned the region was fair?

Based on population levels at the time then, no. However the Peel Commission in 1937 offered the Arabs 75% to 80% of the land, which would have been much fairer,and the Arabs rejected it. From 1948 the Arabs lost every war and have consequently lost land with it, so Palestinian territory gets smaller.
The current situation is that it was created,it does exist and it's not going anywhere.

I also don't understand - and if anybody here can enlighten me I'd be grateful - why a large chunk of the Mandate was hived off to create TransJordan post WW1 , now Jordan. Obviously the whole map of the region changed with the defeat of the Ottomans but I've never seen any rationale for that move at all.

Israeli archives released in 1990s prove beyond any doubt that that is exactly what happened in 1940s. The Zionist movement developed lists of Palestinian villages with precise details showing who lived there, how many men, if they were armed, what their occupations were, the layout of towns, whether they were armed/defended. This was with a view to ethnically cleansing the land which is modern day Israel of its Muslim and Christian population- this was the stated aim of the founders of Israel- to create a majority Jewish state that required ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population.
Read Illan Pappe- The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.
The Ottomans conducted censuses. We know that Jewish people were a small minority throughout Ottoman rule- during the British mandate they rose to 32% of the population of Palestine due to emigration.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

"I'm just pre-empting the usual situation where someone says "I'm not being anti-Semitic" enough times that they start believing someone has actually accused them of being one"

Ah.

@MyMumIsBetterThanYours

"Aren't Hamas also "supposedly a legitimate government"?"

Well, no. They aren't recognised by the UN as a country or as the government of one, haven't had elections since 2006.

But this isn’t the way forward either :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crggq0jygq6o

@LordPercyPercy

No one is trying to justify the attacks.

Although people DO use them to justify the current war crimes committed by Israel.

Aren't Hamas also "supposedly a legitimate government"?

Just to make it clear, you are the only one in this discussion mentioning antisemitism. I'm just pre-empting the usual situation where someone says "I'm not being anti-Semitic" enough times that they start believing someone has actually accused them of being one. It happens on a daily basis and it's utterly exhausting.

@Aladdinzane 7 October was so atrocious that there can't be a justification regardless of the background to the attacks.

@LordPercyPercy

It isn't justification for anything, it's just fact.

There is A LOT of posters and people out there that want to pretend it started October 7th because then it simplifies the issue and makes it easier for them to justify war crimes.

Another blindingly bad argument; why are people only concerned with Israel rather than Yemen, Syria, Iran/Iraq, China etc. There are so many reasons:

1. The UK govt unequivocally condemned the actions of Assad, China, Saddam etc. They have acted with sanctions and diplomatic isolation as well as military intervention in case of Iraq. They have used their influence to highlight human rights abuses.
2. The UK govt not only considers itself a friend of Israel- it continues to support a racist state whose official policies are abusing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians.
3. The UK's continued unthinking solidarity with Israel -culturally and economically gives Israel cover for its racism.
4. The UK has a unique responsibility to face up to the iniquity the Palestinians face given its historic role. Instead it hides behind the US. It's shameful. The least we can do as citizens is protest.

https://quizlet.com/gb/897455959/gcse-history-conflict-in-the-middle-east-flash-cards/

It's also part of edexcel

I've not read all 10 pages, but I expect that "of those under 25, 54% said that they agree with the statement "the state of Israel should not exist". Just 21% disagreed." doesn't come from pure hatred, but from a lack of knowledge/understanding.

There is a fairly common belief that what is now Israel was entirely Arabic/Muslim until the 1940s at which point it was invaded by outsiders and became Israel. If you start from believing that to be true, then thinking they haven't got a right to exist is a logical next step.

So the way to fix this isn't to shout "anti-semite" at this 54% of young people, but to ensure they're educated as to the actual history of the place.

Look I argue for a living and even I can't be arsed with this. You are wrong. Both the Pearson iGCSE History syllabus (used by lots of independent schools in the UK) and the Pearson GCSE syllabus P5 cover the Middle East.

The syllabus for the GCSE is here. Its option P5
https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/GCSE/History/2016/specification-and-sample-assessments/gcse-9-1-history-specification.pdf

I really don't see what you hope to gain here but you are wrong.

The point is not whether the vast majority studied it at gcse...the point is those that have can't be accused of being ill informed and formed a conclusion.

It's you insisting that it's not studied at GCSE who has made the mistake.

What does ‘anti-Zionist’ mean?

No, it's not
It's the GCSE syllabus
https://qualifications.pearson.com/en/qualifications/edexcel-gcses/history-2016.html
The word Israel appears 18 times in the course spec for the standard UK GCSE from Edexcel
Palestine/Palestinian 6 times

They don't see Palestinians as humans, take a Google or look on X. Really look for yourself and see.

Meirav Ben-Ari -the children of gaza brought it upon themselves. Going wild when told a child is a child, no matter where they come from.

This is not an isolated statement, there are countless statements from Israeli ministers

And I am sure someone will be along to say, but Hamas. However Israel are supposedly a legitimate government, are you telling me we shouldn't expect a government to held to a higher standard than a terrorist organisation?

I also follow a large number of Jewish creators on tiktok who are very anti zionist and condemn Israel. This is nothing at all to do with Antisemitism!

There are resources for it on the BBC website for teachers so clearly there is an option for this module to be taught

https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/class-clips-video/articles/zmqsp4j

Nopity-nope!

That's Pearson International GCSE! 🤦‍♂️

The poster in question ORIGINALLY claimed young people studied it in GCSE History, i.e. State Education.

Hence, providing ALL the UK exam boards to demonstrate they don't.

Then the poster in question shifts the goalposts to INTERNATIONAL GCSEs instead of acknowledging their own mistake in the first place!

To sum up, the vast majority of young people in the United Kingdom do NOT study the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflicts at all.

Oh FFS ok. I'll correct my post. My children who went to an independent school studied the middle east and in particular Israel/Palestine at GCSE level in history in detail.

Every other teen clearly knows nothing..

Make you all feel better now?

Edit - this was responding to those who for some reason think I'm making up a GCSE syllabus (although for what purpose, who knows)

Edexcel (pearson) spec

Lack of knowledge imv
I looked up wars in the Middle East online - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

There have been
many wars the majority not involving Israel - many, many
Muslims must have died but somehow no one cared/s as it didn’t involve Israel - there is fighting in Yemen as we speak - why aren’t young people concerned about that.