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To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

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Another2Cats · 05/06/2024 19:52

So, I just read an article where they say they have done a poll of young people and, of those under 25, 54% said that they agree with the statement "the state of Israel should not exist". Just 21% disagreed.

Did the polling company manage to just randomly pick a bunch of people that feel this way, or is this genuinely how many young people feel?

IABU to think that this can't really be true? (I am quite prepared to accept that IABU and that this really is what a majority of young people believe)

The link is here:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/majority-of-young-britons-think-israel-should-not-exist/

and this is the text of the article:

A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed.

A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd, found that a striking 54% of 18-24-year-olds agreed with the statement that “the state of Israel should not exist.” Just 21% disagreed.

This finding dovetails with other UnHerd polling on the same issue. In a separate question, young respondents were asked who was more to blame for the war in Gaza. Half blamed the Israeli government, while a quarter answered Hamas. Only 19% responded “all equally”.

The war’s high degree of exposure online and on social media appears to have fuelled interest among Britain’s young. An AI-generated “all eyes on Rafah” graphic was shared more than 44 million times on Instagram recently, with pro-Palestine content also proliferating on TikTok. Critics have argued that the Chinese social media platform has deliberately promoted anti-Israel content, which TikTok has denied, citing the existing attitudes of its young user base.

These attitudes are reflected in further UnHerd polling, which asked young Britons about their level of interest in wars around the world. It found that Britons aged 18-24 are far more interested in the war in Gaza than they are in the Russia-Ukraine conflict or in US-China tensions. Among this group, 38% were very interested in Gaza and 28% were somewhat interested, compared with 19% and 44% who were very or somewhat interested in the war in Ukraine, respectively.

As the Israeli war enters its eighth month, public opinion has slowly shifted in Palestine’s favour. Historic polling shows that popular support for Israel was at its highest shortly after the 7 October attacks at 21%, but this figure has since fallen. Although young people were most sceptical of Israel before the attack, the overall level of support for the Jewish state over the same time frame has plummeted to 16%, according to YouGov figures.

As of this week, a new ceasefire proposal is on the table, and the US is pushing Israel to accept it. The deal would involve the exchange of prisoners for hostages and would pave the way for negotiations. A ceasefire has strong majority support in the UK.

Majority of young Britons think Israel should not exist

A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed. A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd...

https://unherd.com/newsroom/majority-of-young-britons-think-israel-should-not-exist

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Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

Referencing the holocaust in relation to this debate is called holocaust inversion. It is widely considered to be anti semetic.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:19

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

What’s that got to do with the thread topic?

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

It’s still anti-semitism. Why are so many adults ignorant of this?

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

Also antisemitism. See the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

People just can’t get enough of comparing Jews to Nazis, can they?

MissyB1 · 06/06/2024 14:17

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

It would be if any other Country had done it.

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 13:59

They are no different to the Nazi.

This is anti-semitism.

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:14

In terms of controlling the media, one of my relatives did a weeks work experience at a local paper when they were at school.....is that the sort of thing you mean?

FTPM1980 · 06/06/2024 14:12

They are entitled to that opinion
It's really no different to handing it to Israel in the first place. And as long as in their version no-one gets hurt or dies its a good plan.

The only reason I don't support that is that it wouldn't work, you would just create an Israeli settler version of hamas, and the Palestinian version of Israeli police and government targeting Jews, and have the same conflict.

I can still believe Jews just as anyone are entitled to live in peace anywhere in the world, but not "entitled" to a state or homeland at the cost of those already there.

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:07

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 14:05

Its funny how you all think that Israel are the victims and that this only started on the 7th Oct. That's what they would like the whole world to think. But we don't think that anymore and there are millions of us all over the world who think Israel are in the wrong. But it seems to me that you don't seem to care about about 1000's of innocent people killed.
Yes I do not condone what happened on the 7th Oct, but what Israel did in return is off the scale and that cannot be right. Israel had a hand in creating Hamas exactly for this, to put the lives of innocent Israelis and Palestinians at risk and then use Hammas as a reason to invade Gaza. But Hammas are not in the West Bank or Jerusalem so why are the IDF and the right-wing settlers still harassing Palestinians. Why are Palestinians not treated equally. They do not have the same voting rights, they cannot even walk down or drive on certain roads.
Israel's own National Security Minister Ben Gvir wants to rid Israel of all Palestinians, he calls them animals not humans. Do you think what he is saying is correct. There are plenty more videos of him and others within Israel's parliament saying this. This is what everyone is seeing. Some of Israel's own army have turned their back and are speaking up against what Israel are doing, maybe you should listen to what they have to say.
This is what the younger generation are seeing and you will happily call them stupid, which is quite an insult if you ask me. Will you call everyone that doesn't agree with what is happening stupid? I do feel very sorry for you.

Well your post was deleted...why do you think that was?

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 14:05

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 13:47

You are just spouting utter nonsense at this point. And we've heard it all before. You're not as clever as you think you are

Its funny how you all think that Israel are the victims and that this only started on the 7th Oct. That's what they would like the whole world to think. But we don't think that anymore and there are millions of us all over the world who think Israel are in the wrong. But it seems to me that you don't seem to care about about 1000's of innocent people killed.
Yes I do not condone what happened on the 7th Oct, but what Israel did in return is off the scale and that cannot be right. Israel had a hand in creating Hamas exactly for this, to put the lives of innocent Israelis and Palestinians at risk and then use Hammas as a reason to invade Gaza. But Hammas are not in the West Bank or Jerusalem so why are the IDF and the right-wing settlers still harassing Palestinians. Why are Palestinians not treated equally. They do not have the same voting rights, they cannot even walk down or drive on certain roads.
Israel's own National Security Minister Ben Gvir wants to rid Israel of all Palestinians, he calls them animals not humans. Do you think what he is saying is correct. There are plenty more videos of him and others within Israel's parliament saying this. This is what everyone is seeing. Some of Israel's own army have turned their back and are speaking up against what Israel are doing, maybe you should listen to what they have to say.
This is what the younger generation are seeing and you will happily call them stupid, which is quite an insult if you ask me. Will you call everyone that doesn't agree with what is happening stupid? I do feel very sorry for you.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 06/06/2024 14:04

DownNative · 06/06/2024 13:53

Young people have been targeted by Iran in disinformation PsyOps for years now. See the post from the Supreme Leader.

In the UK, the vast majority of young people are NOT taught about the Middle East in school nor are they well informed. Fewer than 2% of them learn it in history GCSEs!

Young people are even more susceptible to PsyOps via social media from hostile States such as Iran, China and Russia.

Thankfully, social media is not reflective of real life where most American students at Harvard Uni have a positive view of Israel and a very negative one of Hamas.

That Harvard table is as positive a view of American students at Harvard as you think it is.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:04

FTPM1980 · 06/06/2024 13:57

There is also a difference between asking if something should exist, and asking if now it does exist it should be eradicated.

The question posed appears to be quite deliberately "should Israel exist" not should we get rid of Israel? Surveys like this often like to be ambiguous but lots of people will answer that in terms of would we create an Israeli state now? And no we would not.

And yet there are people who would get rid of Israel and are answering the question meaning exactly that.

The student on R4 wanted a single Palestinian state where Jews could live happily because antisemitism would be tackled.

This bloke with a megaphone in Leeds was very clear that he wanted the whole of the area from the river to the sea to be handed back to the Palestinians, to the cheers of the crowd.

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1789631217161093223?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

x.com

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1789631217161093223?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

Dweetfidilove · 06/06/2024 14:03

WitchyWay · 06/06/2024 12:25

They want their hostages back. The hostages who have been gone from their families for over half a year now.

The hostages that no one thinks of.

There's lots of (deserved) sympathy for civilian Palestinians, especially children, but no sympathy left for the young people taken from the festival in October, having seen their community slaughtered in front of their eyes and god knows what's happened to them since.

It's trendy to support the underdog. The "victim". Israel is under threat constantly. It's now been attacked and all the world is bothered about is whether or not it should defend itself.

Israel can't win. Much of the British public are absolute hypocrites.

I presume that legitimises killing every last Palestinian until they find them? That could be what young people cannot reconcile with.

I don’t know what hypocrisy you speak, so can’t speak directly to that. If it’s a ‘what would the British do if it was them’? British people were killed in US and UK bombings, but folks were still opposed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Trendy? I don’t know again what you’re talking about, because people have been arguing for both sides for decades. We just have SM now where views are louder and reach more people, so it’s a topic that can no longer be ignored.

FTPM1980 · 06/06/2024 14:01

LordPercyPercy · 06/06/2024 13:41

The government of Israel are not doing the Jewish any favours and I believe it is them that need to be blamed for the rise of anti semitism

Bloody hell, I missed this gem.

I think that's broadly true

It's not saying they are anti-semitic, but their actions influence the global publics view of Jews generally, and if there is an INCREASE in antisemitism (not just anti israel) then that increase is just as likely to be driven by the actions of the Israeli government as anything else.

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 13:59

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They are no different to the Nazi.

This is anti-semitism.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 13:58

Now we are comparing Jews to Nazis.

Antisemitism bingo.

FTPM1980 · 06/06/2024 13:57

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 12:38

There is a difference between thinking that what Israel is doing is wrong, and thinking that Israel shouldn’t exist.

The second of those things very much puts you in agreement with Hamas, and other terrorist organisations.

Normally peace movements look for regime change, not wiping a country off the map.

Why is it different in this case?

People point to how Israel was created but lots of countries were created through violence and upheaval. People then point to how Israel is committing atrocities, but lots of countries commit terrible atrocities.

Why is Israel, the world’s only Jewish state, the country that doesn’t deserve to exist?

There is also a difference between asking if something should exist, and asking if now it does exist it should be eradicated.

The question posed appears to be quite deliberately "should Israel exist" not should we get rid of Israel? Surveys like this often like to be ambiguous but lots of people will answer that in terms of would we create an Israeli state now? And no we would not.

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 13:57

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DownNative · 06/06/2024 13:53

Young people have been targeted by Iran in disinformation PsyOps for years now. See the post from the Supreme Leader.

In the UK, the vast majority of young people are NOT taught about the Middle East in school nor are they well informed. Fewer than 2% of them learn it in history GCSEs!

Young people are even more susceptible to PsyOps via social media from hostile States such as Iran, China and Russia.

Thankfully, social media is not reflective of real life where most American students at Harvard Uni have a positive view of Israel and a very negative one of Hamas.

To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?
To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?
O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 13:50

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 13:28

Great, we’re at the Jews control the media bit of the debate. Hmm

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. People who’ve lost their silly little heads to this kind of nonsense aren’t worth engaging with.

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 13:47

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You are just spouting utter nonsense at this point. And we've heard it all before. You're not as clever as you think you are

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 13:44

"The government of Iran are not doing the Muslims any favours and I believe it is them that need to be blamed for the rise of islamophobia"

Yes I agree. There probably a lot of Iranians who would say the same.

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 13:41

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LordPercyPercy · 06/06/2024 13:41

The government of Israel are not doing the Jewish any favours and I believe it is them that need to be blamed for the rise of anti semitism

Bloody hell, I missed this gem.