To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

@noblegiraffe Wasn't comparing Jews to Nazis, the actions of the Israeli government instead.

You are allowed to disagree with the IHRA definition, and in that particular instance I do. The IHRA definition is also not a legal definition.

But yes, anyone who criticises Israel and makes comparisons that its supporters find inconvenient is an anti-Semite.

Along with the ICJ, UN, World Court, Amnesty International etc etc.

One of the things about this conflict is that it has made the use of that word diminish very much in its power.

Comparing Jews to Nazis is easily avoided, perhaps you should try it now that you remember what the Nazis did to the Jews and why antisemites love throwing it in their face.

Israel is a Jewish state created in the aftermath of the Holocaust, btw, so guess why they also love comparing that to the Nazis?

But perhaps you know more than the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance?

If you follow the quotations back you’ll see it started with PP’s assertion that “if Glastonbury got invaded and thousands of innocent British young people were slaughtered on site or kidnapped, the attackers would have hell to pay. If the attackers hid in amongst locals, I have no doubt the UK, America etc would also attack.” So if you think the thread shouldn’t involve a discussion around this you should direct that at them.

The IHRA defintion says "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" and I asked a question why we can't do this, not comparing Jews to Nazis.

It was you that conflated the two ( which btw would put you in contravention of the IHRA definition as you are holding Jews responsible for the actions of the state of Israel).

No, it isn't designed to hurt Jews more than anyone else, the comparison between the Nazi policies and other countries happens all the time.

The Israeli government and IDF are being criticized for their actions not because they are Jewish.

I said comparing Jews to Nazis.

People who hate Jews love comparing them to Nazis because the Nazis murdered 6 million of them, and wanted to murder them all.

It is a comparison deliberately designed to cause as much hurt to a Jew as possible.

So should be avoided. Not justified with ‘no, wait, this time it should be ok to compare Jews to Nazis because I really want to.

@noblegiraffe

The ghettoising of people of certain ethnicities maybe?

How about the imprisoning of people without charge?

Building walls and controlling access to and from those areas that have been ghettoised?

Seizing property that was formerly owned by people from that ethnic minority and claiming it is totally legal?

You maybe want to consider why comparisons can be drawn, denying that they can.

I have 3 DC aged 21, 19 and 16.

We are an international family and follow the news and regularly debate topics. Over the easter holiday all were home and we talked about it a lot. Dh and I tried to give more nuanced views, to look at the history, to talk about both sides.

they all heard what we were saying, but they all completely and utterly think Israel is committing genocide and that Israel is in the wrong. Hamas behaviour at the start or the war is simple not enough to justify what is happening now.

To be honest, despite us trying to help them see a more complete and nuanced picture and give them some idea of history, I find it hard to disagree. I feel that Israel is 100% in the wrong in their current actions. Bombing a hospital because there are terrorists underneath is not acceptable. The ends does not justify the means, and it is hard to get away from the idea that Israel is treating all of the Palsintians as cannon fodder in order to try and get rid of Hamas.

So no I am not surprised at the results of the survey. I think young people are seeing a massacre and reacting to it. If Israel doesn't like that then stop killing people .

You might want to consider why people are just so keen to compare Jews to Nazis.

More nonsense. These boards are full of posts criticising Israel and supporting Palestine.

Why can't you compare the actions of the modern day Israeli government with that of the Nazis?

What is the justification of that other than "its against the IHRA definition" which btw has no legal basis.

Says the silly people who have their heads in the sand. We do not believe you anymore, you are no longer the victims in all this.

You seemed to think that antisemitism was about semites. It’s about Jews.

And comparing the Israeli government to Nazis is antisemitism. You need to read this:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

Well that's because mumsnet have a habit of deleting posts that are not in support of Palestine, a bit like instagram and Facebook. Its a very one-sided debate. I still stand by what I said. Israel are 100% in the wrong, my views about them have forever changed. I can probably say the same about the young people that I know.

I agree but it is possible that my DC are being influenced by things they see/hear from friends. My town is quite multi cultural but has no real Jewish community so all posters etc they see will be from a Palestinian Perspective.
I am giving no opinion on that and we would not tolerate overt ant semitism (or any other race based hatred) but the findings in the OP do reflect what I see.

My point is critisicm of Israeli goverment was not an attack on jews and wasnt anti-semetic

Criticising the Israeli government is not anti semetic. Referencing the holocaust and describing them to Nazis is the problem.

It's honestly not that tricky to understand

Antisemitism is hostility or prejudice aimed specifically at Jews.

How can you not know this?

It isnt an issue steeped in religion. That is very much a media bias. The facts are that israel is committing dozens of war crimes and going against international law. Far-right newspapers are mocking the day. Open celebrations of let them burn. Its VILE

No. It isnt. For starters the settlers in israel are not even semites. Most of them anyway. Cant label any critisicm of Israel and label it anti-semetic. So daft. Is my criticism of certain Irish policies now anti-christian?

If you're not clever enough to understand the concept I really can't help you

DD19 thinks Israel are committing Genocide and shouldn't exist in its present form but appreciates that its not so easy to go back to the original land that was given to create the country - she did Politics A level and studied The Holocaust and aftermath as part of that I believe
DS16 is at school so can't ask just now but from previous conversations he thinks that Israel is trying to kill all Palestinians. He is quite black and white on it.
They do both have Muslim friends though but no Jewish ones so I wonder if their opinions would be different if it were the other way around

What nonsese!