To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

Big difference between thinking it shouldnt exist at all/and thinking it shouldnt exist in its current form - at the exclusion of Palestinian rights to land and statehood and under a governance system which legitimises illegal settlements and land theft and gives more rights to jews of non israeli heritage than it does to people born on that land. I’m 100% aligned with the latter two, and was also when i was 18-24. i wonder how much room for this kind of nuance was allowed in the survey. Definitely usually isn’t in the reporting.

The millions of displaced Palestinians were born there as well. The Israelis didn't have too much trouble deciding where they should go.

@YourPinkDog

Is it anti-Semitic to question why this particular point is on the list? Not at al.

Is it anti-Semitic to state that there are SOME policies that the state of Israel has engaged in that can be compared? No.

As said, this is an accusations which is being labelled at international institutions, aid agencies and others now.

There have been some awful cases of antisemitism on this thread, conspiracy theories and claims about the genetic make up of Israelis/Jews and it has rightly been called out.

However, I think we need to be more thoughtful about the whole thing though and not just make blanket statements in order to deflect critique,

No that's not interesting actually. Nor does it make any sense.

@crispychickenwings the vast majority of Israeli citizens were born there. So where should they go?

Furthermore, I find it interesting how comparing the Israel government to the Nazi government is antisemitic when many people who support Israel also speak of the talking point that Israel is a ‘multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy’. That then proves that comparisons are not antisemitic no?

The majority of Israelis are NOT indigenous because they lived around the globe before the formation of Israel. 2000 years ago when their ancestors lived there does NOT make them indigenous to the land. Palestinians had been living there for 800 YEARS. They are not colonisers because of the Muslim conquest, which in actual fact led them to convert from Judaism to Islam. Your Islamophobic attempt at painting them as so is disingenuous. They were forcefully removed in the Nakba. This is why people call the Right of Return discriminatory; Jews whose ancestors lived there 2000 years ago are free to move to Israel while Palestinians are barred (and cannot live with or marry an Israeli for your information).

All Israeli citizens should just disappear.

She has explained this to you repeatedly. As have others.

Maybe someone should call the police on LordPercy?

@noblegiraffe and as said, it is perfectly fine to question the IHRA definition. I don't question all of it, just this one bit.

Why can't you make comparisons when policies have been similar in some ways? Please explain.

What I see a lot is people using the accusation of antisemitism ( as has been used against the ICC and lots of aid agencies) to dismiss critique.

Yep and then play the victim claiming it's impossible to criticise Israel without being called anti semetic. Same old, same old.

I see people are being anti semitic again and claiming it is not anti semitism. So predictable. It happens on any thread about Israel and Palestine.

But if the policies can be compared with those of Nazis then they can be compared can't they. We do this with other regimes all the time.

I think this is a way of avoiding uncomfortable comparisons for the supporters of Israel.

Also, I think other groups should publish working definitions of what constitutes prejudice and racism against them.

Not any criticism. The specific comparison with Nazis. This isn’t difficult.

I don't consider comparing the actions of the Israeli state with those of Nazis to be anti-Semitic, Noblegiraffe does though.

It’s the IHRA definition, not ‘noblegiraffe’.

@noblegiraffe Because you are desperate to dismiss any critique or comparison as anti-semitic.

It isn't.

Don’t be silly.

What made you pick the Nazis to compare to? As opposed to other regimes?

All I’m hearing is ‘but I really want to compare Jews to Nazis’

@Comedycook

I've provided a small list of organisations that have recently been called anti-Semitic by different politicians and posters.

I don't consider comparing the actions of the Israeli state with those of Nazis to be anti-Semitic, Noblegiraffe does though. The same goes for other criticisms.

@noblegiraffe but accurate comparisons can be made between the actions of the Israeli state and that of the Nazis, calling it anti-Semitic is just a way to deflect this inconvenience.

But yes, anyone who criticises Israel and makes comparisons that its supporters find inconvenient is an anti-Semite

Yes this crap is spouted at us all the time. Plenty of people manage to criticise Israel without being called anti semites. I see loads of comments criticising Israel which I don't consider to be anti semetic.

But yes, anyone who criticises Israel and makes comparisons that its supporters find inconvenient is an anti-Semite.

No, it’s the Nazi thing. As explained.