Farage

@LadyWiddiothethird

throwing milkshake is abhorrent?! 😬 sending asylum seekers to Rwanda is abhorrent. Throwing milkshake, not so much.

😂it’s a rare event

LTB

God how do you feel about that? I honestly couldn't sleep in the same bed as someone that voted for a popularist.

Can we just not? Why is anyone giving him any airtime?

In what ways do the UN (which, of course, the UK was instrumental in founding) prevent political change in the UK? Given that UN member states include liberal democracies, communist states, dictatorships and basically every other form of government/society going, this seems a really odd statement on its face…

I can understand the argument more in terms of the ECHR, as it does impact the UK’s laws, but even then its role is pretty narrow and usually not very controversial.

Also worth pointing out that the Tories have been in power since the financial crash and Reform are basically just Tories.

People are p*ed off with politics because it is impossible to make changes due to successive govts giving away the demos power to international organisations such as UN, ECHR (and EU). Therefore people feel that democracy no longer works. Politicians since the banking crash have made peoples lives worse not better and the country has been in a decline. Politicians from boyh main parties lie constantly so no one trusts them. That is why both Labour and Tories need to be killed off and new parties take their place. Reforms popularity (and Brexit) are a symptoms of that.

People must learn to set aside their political beliefs and fight to defend democracy and free speech.
That feels a little bit rich given your opposition to non-violent protest. I’ll condemn the milkshake assault all day long, but not someone playing a song.

Yes, I agree. I’d put her in a cell for the night, that’s for sure. I’d also come down hard on the little idiots who played “things can only get better” over Rishi Sunak’s speech. Makes no difference who the politician is, you don’t interfere in democracy. Years ago, the son of the guy in Roxy Music, who was/is a Tory, broke into Parliament and went up to the PM wagging his finger and complaining about the ban on fox hunting. My god, I’d have had him dragged out of there by his hair.

People must learn to set aside their political beliefs and fight to defend democracy and free speech. They are too fragile and precious. As someone famously (and beautifully) put it “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

What’s even the difference between the Tories and Reform in terms of policy/ideology anyway?

I know Reform talk bigger on curbing immigration but I imagine most people know that, with our low birth rates, the country would collapse without net positive migration. Even in a fantasy world where Reform got into power, I seriously doubt they’d meaningfully curb immigration- it’ll be the same thing as the Tories - rail against immigration when you’re not in power then accept the need for it once you’re in.

I think Farage’s long game is simply to become leader of the Tories.

He is a pathological liar and a buffoon. He is the main culprit we are where we are right now.
He would go down in British history as the biggest charlatan since the turn of millennium.

So am I.

And yes. I will be voting for Reform.

Another of those pointless threads ‘please explain why you are doing this, I want to understand’. Like the Brexit threads all over again. You’re not interested in why, won’t listen, will insult and shout down anyone who tries to explain. So as I say, bit pointless….

Whether you consider it equal or not one is illegal/against the law, the other is being a politician.

Anyone that believes that any other politician is in it for anyone other than themselves, needs, as you put it, their head testing.

My friend is voting for him ! I won’t be though!

If he does get to be an MP, the people of Clacton won't see him for dust. He's just a grifter. He won't do anything for the community. They may as well wipe their arse on the ballot paper.

With the people we have on offer, and the pathetic tribalism politics has turned into, I've considered doing the same.

Tories-nut jobs, just no
Reform-Bigger nut jobs, no no no
Labour- worryingly looking very intolerant to anyone who isn't a Starmerite, and has differing views. Ever heard of group think? You need some left leaning people in the party for balance. What is this party turning into?
Lib Dems - aside from today, with VC talking about his son, they've looked like they are playing a version of 'Race Across the UK' for the last two weeks
Greens-I don't really know much about their policies.

Obviously it is going to boil down to who is running in my town, but it is even worse when I look into them. It was a Tory stronghold, but our MP has been largely absent and is more of a ghost than Jacob Reese-Mogg. Those looking to replace him aren't that great either. I feel utterly deflated. Having Farage meddling again is hardly surprising in this mess.

It's a nonsensical comparison as they are 2 separate things. You can disagree with someone's politics or everything about someone. You can also disagree with someone assaulting someone you don't particularly like because it's a disgusting, pathetic thing to do and is a crime whether some people like it or not.

I loathe Farage and think Brexit is a national catastrophe but people of all different political persuasions could cook up similar rationales to justify assaulting any other politician.

Yes, milkshake throwing is low level, but it is an act of violence. I don’t think it’s justifiable (and, while this is besides the point, all it does is help Farage).

FrippEnos · Today 19:57
MrsSkylerWhite

Assault? Bollocks. The nasty piece of work can wipe a bit of milkshake off.

It is classed as assault.”

I treating that you didn’t quote the rest of my post, which is valid.

At the risk of being ego-centric, here the rest is again:

“His assault on the freedoms of millions of people will negatively affect them for years. You can’t blame it on those who voted Brexit: countless studies after the result showed clearly that it was mostly elderly people/economically disadvantaged people and people who did not benefit from higher level education who voted leave. They believed the lies he, Cummings and Johnson, etc., fed them, that their lives would be infinitely better if the UK left the EU.
I don’t blame them in the least. They were sold a pup by clever, manipulative people whom, had they a shred of decency, would have slunk quietly into the ether by now. But no, here he is, doubling down on his bullshit.

In Clacton, he’s quite likely to become MP.”

Anyone who seriously believes that chucking milkshake at a disgraceful person is equal to the damage that said person has caused for millions going forward, for generations, needs their head tested.

Well, you've just made yourself sound really pathetic so....well done? Anyone who wants to assault someone like that just shows exactly who they are

Do you have any children? What does he think about them being forced to have an unwanted child? Farage is against a woman’s (and also their partners) right to choose to have a child through his support of Trump.

Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP increased immigration through pushing us into Brexit. They LOVE uncontrolled immigration, it keeps them in jobs, and on the telly. It keeps the grift going. The long con.

@hattie43

I think he might do rather well , not because people like his message but because people are sick and tired of mainstream parties promising the earth and delivering nothing .

Farage voters won't be on MN.

100% this.

MN is, in the main, a Labour party echo chamber. So be very glad that Nigel Farage is standing for Clacton. The extra votes he'll garner for Reform will be the final nail in the coffin for the Conservatives. Sir Kier (I'm working class!) Starmer will be your man soon enough. So cue 5 more years of the same old shite - spiced up only with Nige throwing occasional truth bombs at PMQs.