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AIBU to take out this mortgage?

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helptodecide · 04/06/2024 12:58

Hoping someone will tell me if this is a terrible idea or not before we proceed.
Myself (F24) and my partner (M29) have had an offer accepted on our first house. It’s £325,000 and we are putting down a deposit of £21,000. The mortgage we are going for is a 2 year fixed at 5.69% and it’s a 40 year mortgage. we can’t get any better without fixing for five years which I do not want to do in this climate. Our monthly payments will be £1600 gulp for 2 years. After the 2 years I’m hoping to remortgage at a better rate (fingers crossed the interest rates aren’t so abysmal by then!). For context although the house is expensive for a first home it is in exactly the area we want to be in, close to work and both of our families, and is a 3 bed semi with lots of potential for extension in the future (ie this could be our long term home). In this area we won’t be able to buy much cheaper (even a 2 bed terrace is £300,000).

I am trying to work out whether this is going to be affordable for us. Our combined income is at least £4500 (fluctuates between £4500 and £4800 depending on partners overtime, and I also do some online teaching as well). I’m a vet, my partner is a HGV driver, so both in secure work. We have no kids and definitely no plans for them in the next five years.

I’ve calculated our monthly outgoings on bills including mortgage, car payments to family for both of us (we both borrowed money from family to buy a car to avoid debt), car insurance for us both, council tax, gas and electric and petrol to be around £2800. This would leave us with £1,700-£2,000 month for food, social (we currently spend FAR too much on this and would hugely cut down), the cat, money towards the house (it’s liveable as is but lots of cosmetic work to do gradually) and savings.

I feel like this sounds okay, but I am currently saving £800 every month and to be honest not really having to budget at all as our current rent is only £800 between us. I know it’s an awful time to buy a house at the moment, but I’d rather take the hit for 2 years and then remortgage when times are hopefully better.

What do all you wise people think?

OP posts:
Cornflakelover · 04/06/2024 17:58

My son bought a house at 320k recently buy with a much bigger deposit ( around 100k)
he and his partner pay 1100 a month
it’s a forever home though and they won’t have to love unless they moved city

They aren’t on particularly high wages but like you they aren’t planning any kids at all

Tp rent the same style house would easily be around 1800 a month

They overpay by 100 a month and they have a five year fix

They have been lucky though as I bought them pretty much everything they needed to furnish the house so they haven’t had that expense
but the house hasn’t needed any work doing to it

Over71 · 04/06/2024 17:53

Go for it.
When I bought my 1st home in 1970, I did all my sums very carefully.
I couldn't afford it, but I went for it anyway.
It meant a lot of sacrifices, but it was the best thing I ever did.

greenpolarbear · 04/06/2024 17:49

SquishyGloopyBum · 04/06/2024 13:19

Go for the 5 year fix. The interest rates aren't insanely high- they have been artificially low for years. Use the £200 extra to overpay.

That's not true. And a 5 year fix is a terrible idea because there's no way the rates will do anything but drop over the next 2 years.

Thankgodforwine · 04/06/2024 16:12

We have just took on roughly the same ....1500 a month for five years fixed ......we are late 30s .... you will be fine and congrats on your new home !!!! Exciting

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 04/06/2024 16:09

Seems OK to me.
We always spend a third of our income on the mortgage.

Aavalon57 · 04/06/2024 16:08

You should definitely go for it. With regards to the 2 year fixed or 5 year fixed, a lot of it depends on how you both feel about knowing what your payments will be for the next 5 years or willing to remortgage within 2 years. Do you want that stability where you don't have to think about the mortgage again for a few years or are you willing to put the grunt work in and do it all again in 2 years? Remember, there may also be a mortgage fee when it comes to remortgage.

I personally would go for the 2 year deal. Then when it comes to remortgage, reduce the term if possible. Two years gives you the opportunity to see how the land lies and get a feel for owning your own property and all the stuff that comes with it, as well as added flexibility. Many congrats!

Mummy2mybear · 04/06/2024 15:50

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 14:51

I honestly don’t know! I thought we would need 10% but we fell in love with the house (mainly because of location) so went to talk to the mortgage advisor about it. They said because our combined income is relatively high and we have no kids (so relatively low outgoings as no childcare etc) we could borrow 4.5x our income which was over 300,000.
It’s not a brilliant deposit for the value of the house so we can’t access the best interest rates but to be honest we just really want to get on the ladder, in the location where we want to live.

I would 100% go for it, when we bought we did not have the option for less than 10percent LTV. It just was not available I think its so much better you get on the ladder as soon as you can good luck OP 👍 and you have done so well saving so much well done 👏

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 15:34

Bjorkdidit · 04/06/2024 15:23

I thought vets were one of those professions where they don't earn as much as a lot of people think and less than other comparable professions like GPs and dentist, so most don't earn anywhere near £50k and the conditions are worst because they're more likely to be bitten, scratched or shit on by their patients and there's more unsocial hours work. It wouldn't be surprising if the HGV driver partner earns more, despite being much quicker and less competitive to get into the profession.

Edited

100% this!!! I love my job and whilst the potential is there to earn well (as in 50/60k, it’s very rare you make more than that without specialising and taking v expensive exams), as I said it would take me at least 10 years. And that’s assuming I’ve not had kids and am still working full time. There are FAR easier ways to make money!
…..I wouldn’t do anything else though :)

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SuncreamAndIceCream · 04/06/2024 15:25

I would go for it

While you've not got children is the best time to buy a house

Yes the mortgage is expensive but that's just the way it is now

In the long term you'll be quids in, and hopefully by the time you remortgage you'll have some equity/savings/improvements done which will reduce your LTV

Best of luck

Bjorkdidit · 04/06/2024 15:23

I thought vets were one of those professions where they don't earn as much as a lot of people think and less than other comparable professions like GPs and dentist, so most don't earn anywhere near £50k and the conditions are worst because they're more likely to be bitten, scratched or shit on by their patients and there's more unsocial hours work. It wouldn't be surprising if the HGV driver partner earns more, despite being much quicker and less competitive to get into the profession.

millyv · 04/06/2024 15:23

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 13:07

I’ve looked. Would be about £200 cheaper a month, I’m hoping whoever that in two years time interest rates will be lower hence would rather be in a 2 year fix. I know you have to budget for them going up, but I feel like it’s not unreasonable to hope for some decrease!

@helptodecide it sounds totally doable to me and very exciting!

One suggestion though, you say a 5 year fixed will be £200 a month cheaper - if you stay on the 2 year fixed you will be paying an extra £4800 in that 2 year period than if you took out the 5 year fixed.

Have you got the keyfact sheets for both? Maybe have a close read and see which one would work best? If you can pay the £1600 a month comfortable (which I can't see why you can't on the figures you've stated), maybe take the 5 year fixed and over pay £200 a month, that will reduce your capital quicker.

Hinkuy · 04/06/2024 15:19

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 15:14

Thanks so much!! You must have ever met a new grad - I won’t see 50k for about ten years I imagine!😂

This is true, I guess I've only seen established vets!

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 15:14

Hinkuy · 04/06/2024 14:59

Makes sense - I guess you're paying student loans too which is impacting your net pay? I've never met a Vet on less than £50k which is why I was a bit confused. Go for the mortgage- 2 years is correct in this climate. Congratulations on the house 🏠

Thanks so much!! You must have ever met a new grad - I won’t see 50k for about ten years I imagine!😂

OP posts:
Bjorkdidit · 04/06/2024 15:13

penguinbiscuits · 04/06/2024 14:36

Agree with this. I would absolutely go for 2 years fixed.

People who go for 10 year fixed just sound silly to me, I'm sorry. I can't even bear to think of how much money I would have lost if I had fixed rate on my homes.

Congratulations btw!

There are people who went for 2 year deals 3 years ago who are absolutely kicking themselves (and were probably poorly advised) because they're now facing much higher rates when they could have been locked in at 1-2% for the next 5-10 years.

As a PP has said, expected rate drops are included in 5 year fixes, which is why they're cheaper than 2 year fixes. If they take the 5 year, they're already ahead, and rates will have to drop a lot to catch up on how far behind they are at the beginning by paying an extra £200 pm for the next 2 years. And that's before you account for paying extra fees because you change your mortgage more than twice as often.

TokyoSushi · 04/06/2024 15:09

It sounds like you've done really well at only 24 OP, go for it, good luck!

Mummy2mybear · 04/06/2024 15:01

penguinbiscuits · 04/06/2024 14:40

Yes that stood out to me as well, and someone even said the OP had a good deposit? How?

We paid $350k deposit on a $1.8mil property, and that was the minimum required. I guess depends if they're getting a lenders mortgage insurance, we wanted to avoid that and it meant we needed a higher deposit.

If your deposit is small then lenders mortgage insurance is required which is a lot of 💰

Wow, we had to find 40k it was a struggle to scrape it together and a lot of money to us we almost lost the house we wanted but we managed, In the UK they are so strict on everything they offered help to buy scheme but did not want this and so glad we didn't would have been in a mess now if we did x

MathsFiend · 04/06/2024 15:01

On the 5 vs 2 year deals, lenders are already baking in their expectations of future base rate decreases into their pricing. That's why the 5 year deal is at a lower interest rate than the 2 year deal. By the time you refinanced the 2 year deal, the interest rate curve might have changed- even if base rate is lower, the lenders might then expect future increases in rates and would reflect that in pricing.

I'd go for the stability of knowing you should be able to meet the repayments for the next 5 years and not risk a payment shock after 2 years.

AllTheChaos · 04/06/2024 15:00

Buying a forever home as your first home will save money over time in legal fees, moving costs, and stamp duty, plus estate event fees. It sounds fine assuming you aren’t planning to start a family in the next couple of years (get a good savings cushion and reduce your outgoings first! Eg pay off the cars).

For reference, I am a single parent with a lower income and a higher mortgage, and I manage. Mind you we don’t take expensive holidays or eat out, but that’s because I prioritise things like DD’s swimming lessons. Honestly, it sounds fine.

Hinkuy · 04/06/2024 14:59

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 14:57

I only graduated last year so I’m on 34, going up to 37 next year. God knows after that, we don’t make as much as people think we do though😂My partner is a class 2 driver and usually takes home similar but it’s overtime dependent. Both of us will hopefully see our wages increase as we both get more experience, he wants to do his class 1 which will give him access to better pay.

Makes sense - I guess you're paying student loans too which is impacting your net pay? I've never met a Vet on less than £50k which is why I was a bit confused. Go for the mortgage- 2 years is correct in this climate. Congratulations on the house 🏠

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 14:57

Hinkuy · 04/06/2024 14:53

£4500-£4800 between you as a HGV driver and a vet? Do you both work part time or have large student loans etc as that's low take home payfor those two occupations. In regards to your actual question though - you'll be fine. P.s I'm an ex mortgage adviser.

I only graduated last year so I’m on 34, going up to 37 next year. God knows after that, we don’t make as much as people think we do though😂My partner is a class 2 driver and usually takes home similar but it’s overtime dependent. Both of us will hopefully see our wages increase as we both get more experience, he wants to do his class 1 which will give him access to better pay.

OP posts:
Jmaho · 04/06/2024 14:56

@Mummy2mybear I underwrite mortgages. We offer max 95% LTV. It's all I'm looking at lately.
Have to be first time buyers and have to apply via advisor or broker. Can't apply direct
Need a good whole of market broker. Quite a few high street lenders offer 95%

Hinkuy · 04/06/2024 14:53

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 12:58

Hoping someone will tell me if this is a terrible idea or not before we proceed.
Myself (F24) and my partner (M29) have had an offer accepted on our first house. It’s £325,000 and we are putting down a deposit of £21,000. The mortgage we are going for is a 2 year fixed at 5.69% and it’s a 40 year mortgage. we can’t get any better without fixing for five years which I do not want to do in this climate. Our monthly payments will be £1600 gulp for 2 years. After the 2 years I’m hoping to remortgage at a better rate (fingers crossed the interest rates aren’t so abysmal by then!). For context although the house is expensive for a first home it is in exactly the area we want to be in, close to work and both of our families, and is a 3 bed semi with lots of potential for extension in the future (ie this could be our long term home). In this area we won’t be able to buy much cheaper (even a 2 bed terrace is £300,000).

I am trying to work out whether this is going to be affordable for us. Our combined income is at least £4500 (fluctuates between £4500 and £4800 depending on partners overtime, and I also do some online teaching as well). I’m a vet, my partner is a HGV driver, so both in secure work. We have no kids and definitely no plans for them in the next five years.

I’ve calculated our monthly outgoings on bills including mortgage, car payments to family for both of us (we both borrowed money from family to buy a car to avoid debt), car insurance for us both, council tax, gas and electric and petrol to be around £2800. This would leave us with £1,700-£2,000 month for food, social (we currently spend FAR too much on this and would hugely cut down), the cat, money towards the house (it’s liveable as is but lots of cosmetic work to do gradually) and savings.

I feel like this sounds okay, but I am currently saving £800 every month and to be honest not really having to budget at all as our current rent is only £800 between us. I know it’s an awful time to buy a house at the moment, but I’d rather take the hit for 2 years and then remortgage when times are hopefully better.

What do all you wise people think?

£4500-£4800 between you as a HGV driver and a vet? Do you both work part time or have large student loans etc as that's low take home payfor those two occupations. In regards to your actual question though - you'll be fine. P.s I'm an ex mortgage adviser.

helptodecide · 04/06/2024 14:51

Mummy2mybear · 04/06/2024 14:06

How did you manage to find a mortgage that allows less than 10percent deposit? We really struggled to find one and had to have at least 10 percent down-payment for them to accept us you have done well.

I honestly don’t know! I thought we would need 10% but we fell in love with the house (mainly because of location) so went to talk to the mortgage advisor about it. They said because our combined income is relatively high and we have no kids (so relatively low outgoings as no childcare etc) we could borrow 4.5x our income which was over 300,000.
It’s not a brilliant deposit for the value of the house so we can’t access the best interest rates but to be honest we just really want to get on the ladder, in the location where we want to live.

OP posts:
StripeyDeckchair · 04/06/2024 14:44

Sounds OK to me.
Your salaries & the value of the house will in all likelihood increase giving you more equity in the house and a better LTV for the remortgage

35% of income on the mortgage is OK.

Bumblebeeinatree · 04/06/2024 14:43

If you are paying £800 a month rent and you are saving £800 a month that's the mortgage covered. You have a pretty high monthly income and secure jobs so it seems fine to me and as others have said if it wasn't affordable the mortgage company wouldn't have offered you the mortgage they are very picky these days.

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