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Dealing with a Toxic VERY Difficult person at Work

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didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 22:17

Hey everyone, NC just to be sure this is confidential

I'm in a bit of a tricky situation at work and could really use some advice. I'm supposed to be working in partnership with a senior colleague. Technically, I manage this person, but we are both very senior in the company. Here's the problem: this colleague cannot take being told what to do. Everything has to be sugarcoated and glossed over. Additionally, their productivity is slow.

Anytime I try to address these issues, it turns into a huge conflict, no matter how diplomatically I approach it. I believe it's a cultural fit issue, but changing things now is not an option without first trying to resolve.

Does anyone have any tactics or strategies for managing someone like this? How do you handle a senior colleague who resists feedback, especially when it comes to their productivity and performance targets?

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Startingagainandagain · 04/06/2024 10:10

Honestly OP you are not cut out to be a manager.

The other person feels that.

If you want to be a manager start acting like one.

Be supportive and listen to what team members have to say but also be clear about targets/KPIs.

Have regular one to one meetings with all your team to check on progress.

This is really basic stuff...

And what do you mean by 'cultural fit'? you have to be careful that what you do and say also does not come out as discriminatory and personal.

Chchchchnamechange · 04/06/2024 09:35

i think the problem is that responsibilities and authority are not clear, even in your own OP it’s unclear whether you are line manager or not. A difficult person is bound to take advantage if roles are unclear.

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 09:22

@sunflowrsngunpowdr suggesting weekly would cause issues - perhaps monthly as weekly may seem overkill

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 09:22

@MotherofChaosandDestruction a little at time yes - I never feel threatened literally but I would at time say they have displayed this

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 09:21

@dcsp the last option you gave;

• Your colleagues & bosses didn't give this person to you because they were difficult (e.g. they didn't know this was the case)

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Nicebloomers · 04/06/2024 09:10

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:57

@Nicebloomers what makes you say this?!!

So they don’t turn things around on you and call you difficult to work with/ bullying them/ setting unrealistic goals/ not supporting them when they undoubtedly don’t hit a deadline/ KPI/ under perform etc. If you need to involve HR or they involve HR you have evidence that covers your arse and evidence to manage them.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 04/06/2024 09:08

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:57

@Nicebloomers what makes you say this?!!

This person is likely to raise a grievance against you if you try and performance manage them - you need evidence of the conversations/emails in which you've set expectations for both.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 04/06/2024 09:06

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:41

@MotherofChaosandDestruction they're not meeting the needs and if I try and bring it up - all hell breaks loose. This is the problem this person doesn't want to be told anything

As in they are aggressive towards you? If that's the case, you need to involve HR and performance manage and potentially discipline them. Underperforming and not meeting expectations is one thing but you need to deal with inappropriate behaviour.

dcsp · 04/06/2024 09:05

You say in your first post you are "I'm supposed to be working in partnership with a senior colleague."

Which of the following do you think is closest to why you've been given this person to work with:

  1. Your colleagues & bosses know this person is difficult and have given them to you to work with because they rate your skills and therefore trust you will improve the difficult person
  2. Your colleagues & bosses know this person is difficult and have given them to you to work with to test you (or worse)
  3. Your colleagues & bosses didn't give this person to you because they were difficult (e.g. they didn't know this was the case)

As how I'd proceed would depend partly on this

sunflowrsngunpowdr · 04/06/2024 09:01

Do you have regular 121s with this person? If you aren't then I would suggest you start doing that weekly. Use it as an opportunity to talk with them, let them raise issues they have with you and it also gives you space to tell them what you expect of them as well. Make a record of everything you talk about and save it incase you need to manage them formally later. Have you spoken to your line manager about the problems you are having? If not you should, they might be able to help you.... I have seen it happen that for whatever reason a worker just doesn't respect their line manager but will be the perfect worker for a different manager 🤷🏽‍♀️

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:57

@Nicebloomers what makes you say this?!!

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:57

@Hillarious about 9 months. They are older, only marginally but they are older

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Nicebloomers · 04/06/2024 08:54

Document EVERYTHING.

Hillarious · 04/06/2024 08:49

How long have you worked with this person, and are they older/younger than you?

I have a new boss, who is much younger than me, and disregards my experience in my post and method of working. Outcomes are good, but my way of getting to them differs from theirs. Their immature approach to managing people shines through.

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:46

Also to add, they check my whereabouts and ask me about them. Not in a 'where are you going' way but oh you're doing this tomorrow aren't you etc - it drives me mad.

Does anyone else check their managers whereabouts? Or am I being too dramatic about this, I just feel again it's as someone else said they don't understand the boundaries

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:41

@MotherofChaosandDestruction they're not meeting the needs and if I try and bring it up - all hell breaks loose. This is the problem this person doesn't want to be told anything

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MotherofChaosandDestruction · 04/06/2024 00:45

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 22:48

@Alittlelostinlifeisi They say they want to 'add value' but the issue is - their idea of adding value doesn't tie up with mine

It might not tie up with yours but it obviously does (or has done) to the company if they are senior? What value can they bring? Their productivity may be slower than your expectations but are they meeting the needs of the job? I do think there is probably value in you reflecting on yourself and your expectations?

In my experience, senior people in organisations don't like directive approaches. You give your vision and red lines and then treat them like an adult professional and let them get on with it. Check in and set expectations obviously but just because someone isn't doing exactly like you would it doesn't mean that it's necessarily wrong. This is where diversity of thought comes in - be willing to compromise and reflect on yourself and your leadership/management style.

AliceOlive · 04/06/2024 00:29

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:20

@AliceOlive thank you! I agree, how can you NOT be directive as then people accuse you of not giving clear instructions!

Maybe it’s a generational thing. I’ve heard some odd things recently. Like a friend’s company no longer limits time off at all, because gen z didn’t like the restrictions. 🤷‍♀️

CountryMumof4 · 03/06/2024 23:25

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:20

@CountryMumof4 agree, thanks for the advice. I think I need to bite the bullet and put VERY clear KPI's in place, regular catchups (despite the fact they be awkward) and then review it in time and go from there. And if they're not being met after that then deal with accordingly

I think that's a sensible way of approaching it. I've had a similar situation recently and it ended up being escalated to HR. Given I could show exactly what had been said/the extra support that was given/everything documented, it meant that they were fully on board with my concerns. It's definitely frustrating! Hope all goes ok!

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:22

@Mulloffuckintyre you've hit the nail on the head. They're trying to making things friendship/consultative.

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didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:20

@AliceOlive thank you! I agree, how can you NOT be directive as then people accuse you of not giving clear instructions!

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didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:20

@CountryMumof4 agree, thanks for the advice. I think I need to bite the bullet and put VERY clear KPI's in place, regular catchups (despite the fact they be awkward) and then review it in time and go from there. And if they're not being met after that then deal with accordingly

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CountryMumof4 · 03/06/2024 23:17

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:09

@CountryMumof4 not currently getting goals, although some of this was down to limited resources which could be argued is not their responsibility. But the way they handle it is not like they're looking for ways to solve it, and also their reluctance to part of the KPIs came out recently but i haven't said anything as i just figured the results are either there or they're not so I'll just wait and see - I'm probably taking the easy route but I don't have answers.

That definitely sounds tricky. If they've got KPIs, they need to meet them whether they like it or not. It sounds like maybe a bit of jealousy on their part, or just pure laziness. It's definitely hard for you, as I'm sure you'll feel their failings will reflect badly on you. Keep a record of everything you're suggesting and implementing with them - if they don't improve, at least you'll be able to show exactly what support etc. you've had in place for them. Dates/times of meetings, a record of the tasks you've set them and any additional training you've provided and so on. Good to have a paper trail in place for if it's needed.

AliceOlive · 03/06/2024 23:13

What?!

The very worst way to manage is to be directive

OP I recommend submitting this to Allison at Askamanager.com.

I think she will tell you this person needs direct communication, a chance to change and that ultimately they probably won’t work out.

didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 23:10

Moanranger · 03/06/2024 22:51

You really need management training from your company. The very worst way to manage is to be directive, and this is what you are doing. I don’t think a MN thread is the best medium for setting out different mgmt strategies, but might be a good idea to do some research yourself, for example, kpi’s, goal orientation ( not simply telling someone what to do.)
Good luck!

How do you get a job done without telling people what to do? I appreciate it's how you tell them but people aren't mind readers?!

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