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Dealing with a Toxic VERY Difficult person at Work

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didficultemployee · 03/06/2024 22:17

Hey everyone, NC just to be sure this is confidential

I'm in a bit of a tricky situation at work and could really use some advice. I'm supposed to be working in partnership with a senior colleague. Technically, I manage this person, but we are both very senior in the company. Here's the problem: this colleague cannot take being told what to do. Everything has to be sugarcoated and glossed over. Additionally, their productivity is slow.

Anytime I try to address these issues, it turns into a huge conflict, no matter how diplomatically I approach it. I believe it's a cultural fit issue, but changing things now is not an option without first trying to resolve.

Does anyone have any tactics or strategies for managing someone like this? How do you handle a senior colleague who resists feedback, especially when it comes to their productivity and performance targets?

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cuckyplunt · 07/06/2024 07:10

Are they a QP?
Sounds like classic QP behaviour.

didficultemployee · 07/06/2024 07:10

@SleepQuest33 that's exactly the conclusion I've come to - and if the targets are not met then formal management of that situation

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didficultemployee · 07/06/2024 07:09

@Bymrsjeeves 😂 you're right

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didficultemployee · 07/06/2024 07:08

@Mirabai after having time to reflect you are 100% right. No further energy needs to go into this - he either meets the expectation or doesn't I completely agree

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Yetmorebeanstocount · 06/06/2024 21:29

It is very weird indeed that you open by saying you are "working in partnership with a senior colleague" but technically you manage them.
Those are two very different things, and if you are confused about your roles then no wonder they are.

Things like them asking what tasks you are working on that day is them 'pretending' to manage you - they are signalling that they will treat you like their equal. They don't understand your position.

Is the formal line-management structure clear in the organisation? Are you the colleague's line manager for all purposes or just this project? Do they think that someone else is their 'real' line manager?

How has this situation arisen? How come you think you are colleague's manager but they don't recognise that?

Use the formal structure: take it to your line manager and ask them to ask colleague's line manager to clarify and formalise the situation.

Once they understand that you are in fact formally managing them, at least for this project /area of work, then you can move forward.
You then use all the usual management tools (meetings, targets, KPI's, etc etc.) and document everything, back up every conversation with an email.

But you can't do anything without clarity of authority.

bonzaitree · 06/06/2024 18:17

Set the kpis

Leave him to it. When he doesn’t hit them have a meeting to discuss why and what his plan is to meet them.

If he doesn’t meet them again have a similar discussion and say if it doesn’t improve you will escalate.

If he doesn’t meet them again, escalate to your boss and let them decide what happens.

Evidence everything in writing.

Mirabai · 06/06/2024 16:09

The bottom line is you’re the younger colleague/manager who’s come in and wants him to do stuff he’s got away without doing or wants him to do things differently or faster.

Don’t put so much energy into this. Firm KPIs, regular meetings, if he doesn’t perform then take it higher. If he kicks off walk away and ignore it.

Bymrsjeeves · 06/06/2024 15:24

Do stuff and make them think it’s their idea.

SleepQuest33 · 06/06/2024 13:17

It sounds to me as he/she sees you as their equal in terms of seniority.

how do the people above you treat both of you? Sometimes blurred lines come from the top.

I think with difficult people the best way forward is to win them over rather than fight against their nature. I agree with others who have said not to give “instructions “ on what to do. A more collaborative approach works best.

not sure what kind of work you do but could you discuss the overall job needed and let them “manage” the execution of it independently with regular updates with you?

LadyMuckRake · 06/06/2024 13:13

Mulloffuckintyre · 03/06/2024 22:51

It sounds like he doesn’t either realise or believe that you are managing him. So, I guess you’ll continue to get resistance at least until that is made clear. If you can’t get him to accept management from you I would let him be seen to fail. You continue to do your work to a high standard. If you stop wasting your time trying to manage him you’ll have more time/energy for your own work. I’d there someone above you both that you could talk to about the issue?

This is what I thought. They think you're swinging your ego around, because you're both senior.

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 06/06/2024 13:10

I'd suggest (although it will be very awkward) that you include some yearly objectives around their attitude to feedback/behaviours as well as just productivity. I would do it as unemotionally as possible and not make it personal but perhaps go down the "it's really important we all take feedback on board and strive to improve, change and move forward. This year I'll be doing a 360 review to get feedback from everyone I work with. What goals and objectives would you like this year to help you improve, move forward and take on board feedback for where you need to improve". Ideally you want them to buy into their yearly objectives/kpis and contribute to creating them too. You also want them to buy into getting feedback (not just from you but from other stakeholders - clients, their direct reports, colleagues they work closely with) and then building their own development goals around that feedback too. Put in place monthly 121s and allow them to do their own thing in their own way the rest of the month (if youre telling them wgat to do on a daily or weekly basis at a senior level then youre a micro manager) but bring the kpis and objectives to those 121s to discuss. Where they aren't hitting them ask "what are your plans to address this and how can I help you succeed" - document all your 121s ready for the end of the year. At year end, go through them, they cannot say they've not had opportunity or enough support because every month you'll have discussed them, offered help and discussed solutions. If they're consistently not hitting them talk to HR about a performance plan/pip.

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 06/06/2024 12:44

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:41

@MotherofChaosandDestruction they're not meeting the needs and if I try and bring it up - all hell breaks loose. This is the problem this person doesn't want to be told anything

'All hell breaks loose' so you wont bring it up and you'll leave him alone. I worked with someone like this, if they didn't want to do something they would act so badly that people just wouldn't ask them going forwards.

I also agree with a PP that he does not think you mange him and that is part of the issue.

dcsp · 06/06/2024 10:32

Agree with @Doggymummar on very frequent but short meetings. If small teams have a daily stand-up meeting to plan work, highlight problems, etc, there's no reason that a team of 2 can't.

Agree with @LoveRules on keeping a log of every interaction. I'd give it a week of this and the super-frequent stand-ups before escalating to your manager though.

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 06/06/2024 09:55

Startingagainandagain · 04/06/2024 10:10

Honestly OP you are not cut out to be a manager.

The other person feels that.

If you want to be a manager start acting like one.

Be supportive and listen to what team members have to say but also be clear about targets/KPIs.

Have regular one to one meetings with all your team to check on progress.

This is really basic stuff...

And what do you mean by 'cultural fit'? you have to be careful that what you do and say also does not come out as discriminatory and personal.

The employee is probably a man who can’t get his head around a woman being more senior than him. Not sure being “supportive” Will help with that.

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 06/06/2024 09:52

Moanranger · 03/06/2024 22:51

You really need management training from your company. The very worst way to manage is to be directive, and this is what you are doing. I don’t think a MN thread is the best medium for setting out different mgmt strategies, but might be a good idea to do some research yourself, for example, kpi’s, goal orientation ( not simply telling someone what to do.)
Good luck!

How do you manage someone without telling them what to do?

LoveRules · 06/06/2024 09:35

I'd escalate this issue to your own line manager or with HR tbh. There's no reasoning with unreasonable people.

Keep a log of EVERY interaction
Get a summary of conversations in email back to toxic colleague
Get every meeting set up with a clear agenda and Aims/Objectives.
Deal in facts only not emotions.

It's a horrible stressful situation.
I've been there and ended up leaving for a better paid job in a nicer org who would not tolerate this behaviour. At my last job bullying at a senior level (by men mainly) was rife.

Doggymummar · 06/06/2024 09:35

In this situation I'm would be having twice daily on to ones. Ten minutes in the morning, these are you objectives for the day. Ten minutes at end of the day to see how they got on. Add in a midday one if they are routinely not completing the work set. It's exhausting, but they will soon realise you mean business and knuckle down, or leave. I did this very successfully when I inherited a team if 14 intransigent sales reps. They were all gone in 8 weeks and I could recruit my own team. This was in a 1000 seat call centre and I never got grief again as they saw I meant business.

Dweetfidilove · 06/06/2024 09:25

Peclet · 03/06/2024 22:54

Set goals and time lines and tasks and track them. Don’t be woolly. Be focused with clear directives related to KPIs and measurable outputs and outcomes. Surely you have tools for this?
Set out a matrix and deliver against it with task and finish groups?

And if this fails, you follow your performance management guidelines to the letter.

I've seen managers twist themselves into knots trying with people who are either none idle or utterly resistant to anything that is not their will.

PandorasBoxers · 06/06/2024 09:19

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 08:46

Also to add, they check my whereabouts and ask me about them. Not in a 'where are you going' way but oh you're doing this tomorrow aren't you etc - it drives me mad.

Does anyone else check their managers whereabouts? Or am I being too dramatic about this, I just feel again it's as someone else said they don't understand the boundaries

Do you every say “yes, why do you ask?”

could it be they want to get into this area of work?

Fmlgirl · 06/06/2024 08:57

@Moanranger i don’t see how she has indicated anywhere that that’s her management style at all. You have to at a baseline lay out what a certain project includes which may include ‘telling people what to do’ by simply explaining tasks, setting goals and deadlines.

Chchchchnamechange · 04/06/2024 12:23

Hi OP it’s because you said “technically I manage him” and you mention that last. So it gives me the impression you don’t actually manage him in practice and maybe you don’t want to? I may be wrong of course. I would suggest you try and establish some new working practices. Once a month catch up sounds not enough, though obviously I don’t know anything about your work and it’s norms.

I would suggest once a fortnight one to one if you have wider team catch up meetings, once a week if you don’t. You aren’t going to overcome difficult issues if you meet once a month.

didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 10:20

@Startingagainandagain can I ask what about what I said made you conclude this?? I'm not being funny when I say that I genuinely want to know so that I can reflect

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 10:20

@Chchchchnamechange can I ask what about what I said made you conclude this?? I'm not being funny when I say that I genuinely want to know so that I can reflect

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 10:14

@Startingagainandagain cultural fit is definitely a thing - I'm not talking literally about their culture - I mean values and behaviours of the existing team and how we work. It's an accepted fact that not everyone is going to be a fit for every team - to me that's basic

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didficultemployee · 04/06/2024 10:13

@Startingagainandagain that's a fair comment - but we are where we are, I cannot just give up! So I'm trying to fix the situation

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