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To go no contact with overbearing testerical father

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postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 20:50

I gave birth to DD almost 6 weeks ago. It was a perfect natural birth and I was on cloud 9, although by the time I’d gotten home at 5am the next morning I was shattered after 4 hours sleep in about 50 hours. I missed DS (18 months) terribly after 2 nights away from him, 2 nights that he spent with my dad & his partner as he’d picked him up the night I went into labour as arranged. He is retired and it was a weeknight, my mum works and all grandparents knew the plan- that it would most likely be my dad that would get the call to mind DC1 when I gave birth.

(Context: My parents have been divorced for a good 20 years but there is a history of rivalry between them especially on dad’s part : He got angry and upset with my brother on the birth of his first born 5 years ago because he & his partner wanted the mums to visit first, my dad’s nose was out of joint and he made a big scene because he wanted to be first to meet his first grandchild. TLDR; my dad has form for this).

After sharing the news & photos with dad by text, I thanked them wholeheartedly for having my DS, added that I missed DS terribly, couldn't wait to introduce him to his new sister, and would they please drop him off later that afternoon after we’d had a bit of sleep. I also added that I would be upstairs sleeping and feeding the baby when they arrived to drop DS off. Before their arrival I asked my partner to remind my dad that I wasn’t going to be making an appearance with the baby as I was upstairs feeding & sleeping etc.

When they arrived, my partner told him this politely, and my dad started to make his way upstairs to my room ‘to see if I was awake’. Partner said no, I wouldn’t be happy with that, and my dad said “I don’t care”. Partner repeated the request and again my dad said “I don’t care!” I hear dad on the landing while I’m in bed, naked, with baby on my boob. I say “Dad, no” twice, he opens my bedroom door and I again say “Dad, NO”, he says he just wants to see the baby- at this point he’s halfway to me and so I growl at him “BOUNDARIES!” He then skulks off, loudly complaining about the unfairness because he didn’t get to see brother’s kid first, and that I’ve forgotten that the baby is his family too, bla bla. Dad’s partner urges him to make their quick exit.

My 18 month old son that I’d been waiting to introduce to his baby sister has essentially been pushed in front of, my dad has disrespected my partner in his own home by pushing past him up the stairs, and I don’t think I need to be explain how wrong it was of him to barge into my room despite several polite and then not-so-polite requests not to. I’m absolutely livid and upset and know I need to address it before he can come back to my house.

So, after a couple of days I text him to tell him the baby’s name that we’d settled on, with another photo, and that I was planning on calling him the next day. His response was simply that he wasn’t ready to talk to me. I called him anyway and it went like this:

Dad, I’m calling to invite you to meet your beautiful granddaughter on the condition that you apologise for your behaviour in my house. He said “bye” and hung up. I call back and continue, he didn’t have to accept this but how he responded now would dictate how we all remember the period around DD’s birth. Dad then launches into a tirade about: how I have no concept of the damage I’ve done, how ‘up myself’ I am, he’s been having heart palpitations because of the way he’s been treated, and how he will be ready to meet his granddaughter in a month once I’ve done some self-reflection and apologised for what I’ve done. I tell my 3 brothers, I tell my mum. All absolutely appalled.

His partner texts me with how much my dad is suffering physically and mentally, and would I come round to talk, and how dad was simply excited to see his grandchild. I’m resolute that he was had wilfully caused all of this, we have no to-ing and fro-ing, and the bottom line is that dad comes to ME to apologise and meet his granddaughter.

My brother arranges a surprise video call between me and my dad where he shouts non-stop at me how humiliated he is and how hurtful I have been, how ungrateful I am because he ‘dropped everything’ to have DS for two nights when I went into labour and at one point said my DS meeting his new baby sister didn’t matter anyway because “he will never remember it”. I’m shouting back at him and demanding to know exactly what it is I’ve done wrong. He just talks about his hurt feelings. It goes nowhere and I end the call with my apologies that this cannot be sorted out right now.

Over the course of these past 5 weeks my dad has had (and is currently on) 2 holidays. His only attempt at contacting me is a text message to ask whether he is still babysitting my DS1 on a certain day. I ask him to call me. He says no.

Wider family have gotten involved and my aunt (dads sister) has been staying with him and thinks that I should hear him out, and has reported back to me that my dad will not apologise unless I also take accountability for ‘my part’. Although he admits he “could have handled things differently” (!) So over 5 weeks later and my dad really has not progressed at all.

I love my dad and want him to meet his grandchild but I am not going to let him get away with all of this terrible behaviour. He has always been a bully, an old-fashioned patriarchal and kind of narcissistic character. I grew up with him emotionally and physically abusing my mum and always stood up to him as a child, in later years he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

I also want him to see my son but I cannot let him pick and choose which grandchild to see. I’m adamant that, for once in his life, he takes accountability and apologises to me and my partner. I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter.

Where oh where the fuck do I go from here? Going no contact will be awful but I can do it; I am adamant that for once in his life he takes ownership of his behaviour and the impact it has had on me. This has all had a huge impact on my own mental and physical health too. I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth. He clearly feels that me being his daughter trumps all of this and only sees things from his point of view- HIS daughter, HIS grandchild.

Your insights gratefully received because I’m going round the bend with anger and hurt.

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Doyathinkhesaurus · 03/06/2024 22:35

You know you cannot control how other people react right?
Does it serve you continue the drama? What do you really want? Will it serve you to cut him off? Or will it continue the drama and drag other people in?
He's been a dick and he won't apologise. That could be any family across the land. It happens. It's shite but it is what it is. Cutting people off doesn't fix anything. It doesn't change people's minds. You won't get what you want and you will be disappointed.
Do what serves you best to bring peace and calm to you and your house. Then choose his nursing home wisely Wink

FirstBabySnnorer · 03/06/2024 22:32

So he's a violent abuser and you let him babysit your toddler?

Fedupmumofadultsons · 03/06/2024 22:31

The point that actually makes me doubt this is actually true is if her father so bad beat her mum why the hell would she let him watch a vulnerable 18th month old ..please tell me that one those giving abuse to anyone challenging the op for her supposed perfect behaviour

Blondebakingmumma · 03/06/2024 22:30

He didn’t want to be a loving grandfather, he wanted to “win”.

I wouldn’t have trusted him alone with my child considering his abusive past.

SomePosters · 03/06/2024 22:29

Why do people turning meeting a baby into some kind of weird popularity contest?

Scrumbleton · 03/06/2024 22:25

Christ on a bike - I actually find this really hard to believe at all. Firstly surely no one would be that precious and ungrateful to their DF. Then the idea of the DF breaching the security corden followed by weeks of hysteria thereafter. On the off chance that this is actually true then you are both VV unreasonable.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:25

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

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Anyone saying she's as bad as he is needs therapy and is not a safe person to ask for support.

Leaving the thread because cheerleaders for abuse make me sick.

LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 22:24

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

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Oh do give it a rest. Part of escaping abuse is safeguarding your DC from the abuser. A really important part actually. (Although not always easy.) So it is important to be clear about that. It's not the same as an apologia for the bully.

I do wonder though, if OP saw the abuse firsthand or whether, conversely, she has some doubts about the abuse, because it seems odd that she was happy for him to babysit.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:23

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 22:21

If he’s that violent why is she sending her son off with him when she needs childcare.

can’t have it both ways. If he’s how she describes she should have gone nc years ago.

but she isn’t, she’s “devastated” he won’t meet the baby, but only on her terms. Everything smacks of her need to control. And only now she wants to go nc when she learns he won’t do what she says.

they do sound as bad as each other. They’re both bullying each other, and using this baby as a pawn.

A man who beats women is not comparable to a woman being stubborn.

What a putrid, dangerous statement.

SallyWD · 03/06/2024 22:22

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

I have to say I agree with this. Your dad helped out by looking after your son for two days. He came round to drop him home and was immediately told he was barred from seeing you. He certainly shouldn't have barged in to your room but I understand the hurt and humiliation.
My MIL looked after my toddler when I gave birth. As soon as I was home I let her meet the new baby (despite being utterly exhausted). I would never have dreamed of telling her she couldn't!
I think it was a little unfair not to let him have a quick peak at his grandson. It would have taken a few minutes.

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 22:21

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:15

Look what she made me do! Shouted the violent man surrounded by cheerleaders who think only women can and should control themselves.

If he’s that violent why is she sending her son off with him when she needs childcare.

can’t have it both ways. If he’s how she describes she should have gone nc years ago.

but she isn’t, she’s “devastated” he won’t meet the baby, but only on her terms. Everything smacks of her need to control. And only now she wants to go nc when she learns he won’t do what she says.

they do sound as bad as each other. They’re both bullying each other, and using this baby as a pawn.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

PetulantPenguin · 03/06/2024 22:15

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

I agree with this too and dropping the gifts he gave you off on hos doorstep just seems drama causing on your part. Its all a bit silly.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:15

LessOfMe99 · 03/06/2024 22:11

I cannot imagine in your position not letting a grandparent who has cared for your child for 2.5 days whilst you labour see their new grandchild whilst they are in your house. Appalling behaviour. Whilst what your Dad did was wrong, you were far from blame free yourself.

Look what she made me do! Shouted the violent man surrounded by cheerleaders who think only women can and should control themselves.

beefmassaman · 03/06/2024 22:14

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greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:13

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 21:54

Sorry about the "Look what he made you do!" cheerleaders for abuse.

Of course it is 100 percent irrelevant why he chose to act like that and any excuses are just that, excuses. Under no circumstances, for any reason, at any time would his behaviour have been ok.

I see the usual contingent claiming that handing a newborn around like a parcel and not having your own boundaries is great and fun for all the family, luckily it's not their choice to make.

But what was interesting was that you also pushed past his boundary with phoning him back twice when he said he didn't want to speak to you.

It sounds to me like you are still trying to train him to be a decent human. Understandable, but it won't work.

I wouldn't have allowed him to look after your other child, and he would have been a vague shadowy figure in my life long ago. But that's me, and you have to decide what you want to do.

What you won't get is an apology and he won't change. Working with those facts, make the best decision you can, and then just let it go. We can't change others, only how we react to them.

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To be clear, anyone squealing about him having to wait to see your baby and trying to make that some sort of gotcha is a cheerleader for abuse.

And anyone pretending you are as bad as a violent man who won't be told no is also a cheerleader for abusive men, should be ashamed of themselves, and should be completely ignored.

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Toooldforthis36 · 03/06/2024 22:11

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

I agree with this. Seems daft to not let them meet at this point - but he was out of line.

TBOM · 03/06/2024 22:11

He did you a huge favour and you really didn’t appreciate that. If you didn’t think he was safe to do that you shouldn’t have asked him.

LessOfMe99 · 03/06/2024 22:11

I cannot imagine in your position not letting a grandparent who has cared for your child for 2.5 days whilst you labour see their new grandchild whilst they are in your house. Appalling behaviour. Whilst what your Dad did was wrong, you were far from blame free yourself.

redraspberry · 03/06/2024 22:11

I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth.

This tells me everything about you and your family.
Both stubborn narcissists having a power struggle.

BluntFatball · 03/06/2024 22:10

Summerhillsquare · 03/06/2024 22:05

Never mind all this. He beat up your mum? Enough said, he's a wrong un.

Generally speaking, not many mothers would leave their small child overnight with someone who is known to be abusive and beats those weaker than them.

So it's more than a little odd OP left her son there for days (and it sounds like the son has stayed there before too).

He can't both be an abusive arsehole when you are annoyed with him and a loving trustworthy childcare provider when you need him...

Seagrassbasket · 03/06/2024 22:08

I’m afraid I’m with most of the others. I don’t think it was reasonable to have him look after your DS for two nights and then airily tell him he couldn’t look at his new granddaughter for a minute.

Having said that it was most definitely out of order to barge up the stairs past your other half shouting stop and burst in on you naked.

Were you trying to hold a boundary there? PP’s have asked if it was more about you reacting to past events than the current ones - was it an attempt to assert yourself? All power to you, but I dont think you can have it both ways in this particular situation.

Do think about your DS here though - he must be very close to his grandad to stay with him for two nights. Whatever you do now I think you should think about how it will impact him - and your new daughter.

All the best.

Babymamaroon · 03/06/2024 22:08

I think you could have let him have a quick hello with you both.

I understand your Dad being hurt after all the help he gave you.

You're both being unreasonable in how you've handled things imo as he's reacted and behaved very badly to your less than nice behaviour.

As it is, you've got a massive black cloud over the birth of your second baby, which may be all you really remember.

Just sad.

Edenmum2 · 03/06/2024 22:07

I understand why you're cross with him, although it's tricky to comprehend the relationship. I'm close to my parents and they would happily babysit my daughter for 2 nights while I was in labour. They wouldn't push to see me if I wasn't ready but when I gave birth I was desperate for them to meet their grandchild so would definitely not have stayed upstairs in your situation.

So I don't really understand the dynamics.

Why were you so adamant that you didn't want to see him? Were you worried he would want to stay for ages? Are you uncomfortable in his company? Tbh it sounds like for 10 mins of a grandfather meeting his granddaughter you could have avoided weeks and weeks of stress when you should be focusing on your newborn. I understand it was in the moment and you weren't to know....but it seems like there are much bigger things at play.

I think you either need to meet him in the middle or cut contact for a good while whilst you figure out how you really feel