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To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

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OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 17:27

It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

OP posts:
Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 19:27

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:24

Swimming in shit is mainly down to greedy utility companies paying huge dividends to their greedy shareholders.

And of course other European countries don't have "greedy utility companies" completely ignoring that our major utility companies are owned by European conglomerates

Haggardandhungry · 03/06/2024 19:27

I really don't understand why people who think Brexit is the best thing since sliced bread feel the need to jump on threads like this. You're not going to convince me it's great, just enjoy having your Brexit and let me be sad and cross!

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:27

Lonelycrab · 03/06/2024 19:22

I’ll take cover now as all the middle-class mums who hate queuing in certain lines when arriving for their ski trips take aim

Liberal, tofu munching elite with their avocado on toast is it?

Or perhaps just normal people now paying a lot more for reasonable quality food, energy and many more things that don’t particularly like swimming in shit at their local beach…

I quite enjoy tofu and avocado. Not everyone who cares about the future of working-class kids in the UK are plebs.

Corinthiana · 03/06/2024 19:26

What's the matter with Sunderland?

StuffCanDoTwoThings · 03/06/2024 19:26

I won’t get over it either. Anyone who voted Brexit should pay for it through a Brexit tax and be cast out to live in Sunderland for the rest of their days

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:24

Swimming in shit is mainly down to greedy utility companies paying huge dividends to their greedy shareholders.

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:23

J2os · 03/06/2024 19:22

The country is 3% poorer as a result of Brexit, which translates to less money for schools, hospitals, you name it, with the poorest most affected and the richest, as ever, able to protect themselves. Thinking it's about queuing for ski trips just makes you look unserious, I'm afraid.

If you think for one second that the economic landscape in the UK is as simple as that then I cannot help you.

Haggardandhungry · 03/06/2024 19:23

2dogsandabudgie · 03/06/2024 19:07

Of course we're not unwelcoming. We have one of the most diverse populations in the world, but the fact is we are a small island, we cannot let everyone who wants to live here come, it's not sustainable. Our land mass is smaller than France and Germany yet in the last 30 odd years our population percentage wise has grown more.

Uncontrolled immigration is a disaster. It puts pressure on existing resources such as schools, hospitals, surgeries, housing etc.

https://politicalquarterly.org.uk/blog/the-uks-refugee-invasion-is-a-brexit-made-policy-failure

The UK's Refugee 'Invasion' is a Brexit-made Policy Failure

Beyond the political rhetoric, the scapegoating and displacement of responsibility, there is another story of a self-made policy failure intimately connected to Brexit.

https://politicalquarterly.org.uk/blog/the-uks-refugee-invasion-is-a-brexit-made-policy-failure

Lonelycrab · 03/06/2024 19:22

I’ll take cover now as all the middle-class mums who hate queuing in certain lines when arriving for their ski trips take aim

Liberal, tofu munching elite with their avocado on toast is it?

Or perhaps just normal people now paying a lot more for reasonable quality food, energy and many more things that don’t particularly like swimming in shit at their local beach…

Corinthiana · 03/06/2024 19:22

Movingon2024 · 03/06/2024 19:20

YANBU op.

the theft of opportunities for the young, by the old and the deluded, leaves me sad, angry and bitter.

The old and the deluded?
There's really no need to be offensive.
You know what - people have different political opinions, that's democracy.

J2os · 03/06/2024 19:22

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:17

Honestly, I think there are more important things to get worked up about than Brexit. I voted Remain but with some doubts. I think economically speaking the EU was not always workable and there are advantages to local decision making (the small is beautiful theory). I am more of a Lexiteer in reality. All the people who blindly think the EU is some kind of Utopia don’t think about the awful right wing movements in many countries who make Farage look like Michael Foot. In reality it was mainly middle-class kids who have had their futures ‘stolen’ as working-class kids never had the access to languages which would make working in Europe viable. I’ll take cover now as all the middle-class mums who hate queuing in certain lines when arriving for their ski trips take aim.

The country is 3% poorer as a result of Brexit, which translates to less money for schools, hospitals, you name it, with the poorest most affected and the richest, as ever, able to protect themselves. Thinking it's about queuing for ski trips just makes you look unserious, I'm afraid.

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:22

Most young people had their futures stolen in 2010 by the LibDem/Conservative coalition and their austerity policy. How the Lib Dem’s have the nerve to talk about stolen futures is beyond me.

Gnomegarden32 · 03/06/2024 19:21

I agree OP, it's shit.

Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 19:21

Izzy24 · 03/06/2024 19:15

Is that correct? Or was the small majority of the people who bothered to vote in favour of Brexit?

I agree with a PP that such a fundamental change should have needed a larger margin.

Well get off your arse and go out and vote. We live in a democracy. We had a free and fair vote. The majority of those who voted, voted leave. What is your problem with that?

Movingon2024 · 03/06/2024 19:20

YANBU op.

the theft of opportunities for the young, by the old and the deluded, leaves me sad, angry and bitter.

Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 19:18

And from what I can gather from your original post OP, your major gripe with Brexit is that it has limited your holiday opportunities. Cry me a river

Lassi · 03/06/2024 19:17

Honestly, I think there are more important things to get worked up about than Brexit. I voted Remain but with some doubts. I think economically speaking the EU was not always workable and there are advantages to local decision making (the small is beautiful theory). I am more of a Lexiteer in reality. All the people who blindly think the EU is some kind of Utopia don’t think about the awful right wing movements in many countries who make Farage look like Michael Foot. In reality it was mainly middle-class kids who have had their futures ‘stolen’ as working-class kids never had the access to languages which would make working in Europe viable. I’ll take cover now as all the middle-class mums who hate queuing in certain lines when arriving for their ski trips take aim.

Haggardandhungry · 03/06/2024 19:16

It speaks volumes that the 'get over it' people don't seem to know much about it. Too busy enjoying the sunlit uplands I assume.

Izzy24 · 03/06/2024 19:15

Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 18:55

You do realise the majority of the population voted for Brexit? So "you people" means the majority. Do you understand that?

Is that correct? Or was the small majority of the people who bothered to vote in favour of Brexit?

I agree with a PP that such a fundamental change should have needed a larger margin.

Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 19:14

2dogsandabudgie · 03/06/2024 19:07

Of course we're not unwelcoming. We have one of the most diverse populations in the world, but the fact is we are a small island, we cannot let everyone who wants to live here come, it's not sustainable. Our land mass is smaller than France and Germany yet in the last 30 odd years our population percentage wise has grown more.

Uncontrolled immigration is a disaster. It puts pressure on existing resources such as schools, hospitals, surgeries, housing etc.

This in spades. How come evert other country has stringent rules around immigration but we're considered frothing at the mouth racists when we express the same concerns in the UK?

We're a v small island that is full to bursting and then in the same vein, those that complain about us being xenophobic racists complain they can't get a GP appointment, decent housing, social housing, social care, school placing of their choice etc etc. Go figure

Whatafustercluck · 03/06/2024 19:12

Rainydayinlondon · 03/06/2024 18:45

I think to compare Farage to Hitler is minimising those who died and suffered horrifically under the Naxi regime.

How so? What the Nazis did was horrific. I doubt that anyone, at the start, believed Hitler was capable of murdering millions of people. Fascism doesn't look much like fascism at the start. It looks like policies that tax companies for employing immigrant workers. It looks like posters pitting born and bred native countrymen against 'swarms' and 'invasions' and otheting. Nothing I have said has minimised those who died at Hitlier's hands. I'm saying we should avoid that again at all costs. Just because this is 2020s Britain and not 1930s Germany does not make it any less of a risk.

Bringbackthebeaver · 03/06/2024 19:12

Justcallmebebes · 03/06/2024 19:06

I voted to remain as it stands but accepted the result, oooh about 8 years ago

Good for you.

It would be perfectly valid if you were still mad about it though. It will impact your life and the lives of future generations negatively.

Personally I don't accept that.

Lonelycrab · 03/06/2024 19:10

Yanbu op.

And listening to Brexit voters saying they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted, is like listening to fools complaining the magic bean they bought hasn’t grown into a giant beanstalk like they were promised.

Of course it hasn’t 🙄

It’s exactly the Brexit you were warned about though. And I thought Nigel Garage was going to leave the country if it failed (he’s said it’s failed).

Still, gullible people love a snake oil salesman.

Bringbackthebeaver · 03/06/2024 19:08

I agree OP and I think people who shout "oh get over it!" as if people are throwing their toys out of the pram are extremely unreasonable.

This isn't a game, it's something that will continue to impact our lives and our children's lives for decades and generations to come.

2dogsandabudgie · 03/06/2024 19:07

Cheshireflamingo · 03/06/2024 18:53

Absolutely furious here - about the practicalities, about the message it sent that the UK is a horrible unwelcoming place, and the way it opened the floodgates for racism and nastiness.

Of course we're not unwelcoming. We have one of the most diverse populations in the world, but the fact is we are a small island, we cannot let everyone who wants to live here come, it's not sustainable. Our land mass is smaller than France and Germany yet in the last 30 odd years our population percentage wise has grown more.

Uncontrolled immigration is a disaster. It puts pressure on existing resources such as schools, hospitals, surgeries, housing etc.

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