To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

My post didn’t mention collapse.

That’s your ‘Brexy DF’

Well yes, which begs the question how good is the teaching at GCSE level if no one wants to study it at A level? In actual fact though I know quite a few people who would have chosen it for A level at that particular college and even if the intake was low, in a perfect world it would still be available to those students. Such a shame.

Well Farage is back to try and win Clapton. This man has done unbelievable harm this country both socially and economically.

He previously said he didn’t want to stand because he wanted to support Trump in removing more of women’s rights. Maybe the Trump campaign told him his bootlicking services weren’t required.

Apparently he wants to make this the ‘immigration’ election after his precious Brexit vastly increased illegal immigration.

He loves immigration because it keeps the grift going.

Anyone who votes for him, knowing they’ll be more likely to catch him on tv than his local constituency is an idiot and deserves everything coming to them.

I will never forgive Farage for giving us Brexit and poisoning our country. He’s a traitor.

Oh come on. It was hell for a bit but saved lives. I lost my business and my kids took time to adjust back (all ND), DH was frontline NHS so saw lots of horror (had to tell small children they parents were dead in the next room three times and a lot more besides). But it's finished and we've got over it (apart from the shitty long COVID that means DH is working reduced hours, just glad he didn't die as 2 of his colleagues did).
Brexit is shit and seemingly forever. People dying in the channel, not enough carers or other essential workers. My kids can't move to their grandparents home land despite wanting to easily. My parents can't split their final years between their two countries as they had always planned.
I can't retire to Greece and have to be in shitty England, earning less money because it costs 15% more to import stuff and it's reduce trade.

I’m not sure where it will all be in five years

My very brexy DF has been saying that the EU is about to collapse.

Since 2003.

I think things are quite volatile atm, in EU countries too

I understand people want to go back in but I’m not sure where it will all be in five years

Imo this GE was a good time to use the poll lead wrt this. In five years who knows.

Fortunately, it wasn’t for nothing. It was to ensure that the Conservative Party wasn’t destroyed from the inside by its lunatic right-wing fringe. If Cameron hadn’t called their bluff and called the referendum the years of internal struggle could have ended in total electoral annihilation for them. Whereas now….

Oh.

And don’t get me started on disability rights across Europe. Try travelling in some countries with a disabled person. I promise you you’ll soon be wondering what the EU ever did for people with disabilities!

I am still really upset about it too.

It will have been cut because very few students choose it. A school can't run an A level with 4 students.
If more opted for it, the subject would run.
German is disappearing in our schools, unfortunately.

This, word for word.

Oh look!

Just on the announcement of Nigel the grifter Garage being announced as leader as the deform party, there’s a feisty Brexit debate.

Quelle surprise Rodney

I agree with OP - the EU isn't and was never perfect but the general arrangement made much more sense for everyone. How anyone imagined leaving the EU would mean less 'red tape' is utterly beyond me and it has clearly harmed the country massively. The loss of straightforward immigration has obviously impacted the construction, care, health, farming and hospitality industries, losing us young workers we need in a country with an ageing demographic.

@RosesAndHellebores - I agree with many of your points. I have to say that I'm alarmed at the open homophobia and antisemitism I've witnessed in Europe recently.
The far right are gaining in many countries.
Dangerous times.

But you must realise it is possible to have more than one nationality, and passport? Some have worked for many years abroad and gained nationality, and some have married foreign nationals, or have one foreign national parent.

Thousands have applied for Irish passports due to one or more grand-parent or parent being Irish, from both North and South.

Prices have rocketed everywhere.

I was talking about quality, and choice. Notice that you skirted around that one, unsurprisingly.

My mother isn’t British so I can get one from her country

That’s wonderful but I think it’s safe to say languages are not taught well or extensively in a lot of state schools. I’m thinking about my own dc who got a 8 in German GCSE who couldn’t study it at A level because it had been cut due to budgeting issues. He won’t be the only person in this situation. That means straight away his chances of working in Germany could be curtailed from the get go. I think he plans to learn it in his own time at university so hopefully will make up that ground but how many others wouldn’t be able to do this?

lol, my new one keeps I options open should I wish to live overseas again!

Well I travel extensively and regularly and unless I'm hallucinating, prices have rocketed everywhere

This thread is quite extraordinary.
For those arguing that the majority vote didn't result in Brexit, blame those who pissed their democratic right to vote up the wall. It wouldn't be very democratic to force people to vote.

In relation to immigration, the UK desperately need skilled workers. Many European skilled workers are still here and the bar to get a skilled worker visa is much lower than it was pre Brexit. The local market test has been abolished.

If economic migrants want to come, that's fine with me providing they don't get housed, provided with a free NHS to which they haven't contributed, or any form of benefits. That is what many want and other European nations won't give it to them.

European economies are as fragile and broken as the UK at present and there are far more extreme influences prevailing presently across Europe than here.

We have a home in France, we won't be subjecting ourselves to French tax - it is far worse than here.

In 10 years time the landscape of Europe will very different than today and I am not persuades the EU will exist in its current form, if at all. If that is so then the UK has a head start.

Both Covid and the war against Ukraine have had a greater impact on our economy than Brwxir. It's coming out now that the scientists being listened to were actually pretty hard left. Was it chance or machiavellian?

My father, maternal grandfather and maternal great, great grandparents came to the UK as refugees. They got not one penny from the State.

My father was a German Jew. His family did not survive. Germany was very very hostile from the mid to late 1920s against Jewish people, and any one else who didn't fit the Ayrian mould, including those who were gay and disabled and who did. Whilst I don't support Farage, the comparator above is as sickening as it is beyond contempt.

The world is on a precipice at present, we need strong, stable and experienced government although I rather hope the Conservatives will be decimated. Only that will force them to sort themselves out and get a unified party together. And we will need it because Labour will disintegrate within two years when they win.

No shit Sherlock 🙄

And I said 'people like you' not 'you people'. A subtle difference but a difference nonetheless. I'm sure you'll be gutted to know that here endeth my interaction with you. If there's one thing that makes me despair it's people being 'dumb rude' yet thinking they're being ever so terribly edgy. Almost all your posts on this thread have been dumb rude and that marks you out as someone to avoid.

because Cameron said the result would be carried out. And because of the massive influence and pressure of the ERG.

Please however, you did know this, didn't you.

Have you ever heard of a dual citizenship concept?

But working class children do have access to those languages at school at least until year 9 as it’s compulsory until then.

I know many people like to talk about French at school as a joke but for me it opened my eyes to the world and I threw myself into those languages, became fluent, studied them at uni and enjoyed freedom of movement working as a teacher in various EU countries until I couldn’t anymore.

As a working class person and the first person in my family to go to uni, those opportunities were the making of me. Languages and culture aren’t just for middle class people and their children, they should be for everyone.