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To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

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OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 17:27

It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

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babyproblems · 04/06/2024 06:41

same here - it’s so depressing to think some people are that small minded. We live in France and it’s had a lot of impact on us. For zero reason. And for Zero gain to anyone. I hope one day it will be reversed…

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 04/06/2024 06:38

sixthvestibule · 04/06/2024 00:45

Yes, I feel the same. Brexit has ruined my career, cost me ££££££ and nearly ended me altogether. I won’t forgive.

Why has it affected you so badly?

Mumof2girls2121 · 04/06/2024 05:56

Prices could be up because of the recent wars?
Ireland is in EU cost of living and food is ridiculous.
the government needs to go is the only agreement I have

therealcookiemonster · 04/06/2024 02:35

OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 18:21

I am observing that my life would be better if he hadn't been around to trigger the events that led to Brexit. He's loaded and has a German passport. I'm poorer than I could have been and with extremely restricted rights to engage with the EU. I don't feel bad about daydreaming alternative histories.

funny how he didn't want independence from his EU citizenship. where is his patriotism?

PouredConcrete · 04/06/2024 01:04

yes I am still furious and gutted by it for all the reasons PO have said. I think it’s disgusting that no major UK party has the guts to run on a rejoin ticket. Brexit is the most wasteful, disgusting,,divisive failure of a shit idea. Think of all the environmental or poverty targets we could have been taking positive action on with all of that money and time and energy that has been blown on Brexit to no purpose whatsoever.

These lot are campaigning to rejoin https://www.stayeuropean.org/

Stay European

★ Regain our rights ★ Resist Brexit’s effects ★ Rejoin the EU

https://www.stayeuropean.org/

Jumpingthruhoops · 04/06/2024 00:58

OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 18:40

Yes lockdown was insane but at least it isn't still going.

Are you joking?
Some people are still rebuilding lives destroyed by lockdown - measures that a lot of those who oppose Brexit actually supported.
For those people, it's very much 'still going'. Talk about short sighted...

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/06/2024 00:54

I am still sad and furious, and I will remain so until such time as we return.

It was an act of utter theft from the people of this country and I will not ever accept it as permanent. Ever.

sixthvestibule · 04/06/2024 00:45

Yes, I feel the same. Brexit has ruined my career, cost me ££££££ and nearly ended me altogether. I won’t forgive.

Topseyt123 · 04/06/2024 00:37

I'll always be angry about it.

Brexshit is the stupidest and most ridiculous act of self harm this country has ever committed.

mummyuptheriver · 04/06/2024 00:00

Yes, I’m still really distressed by it. I keep having conversations with people who voted Brexit saying how no one knew how badly it would turn out. It took all within me to change the subject and not say ..remember project fear?! It was widely and clearly campaigned against by all the main parties of the country. The leader of the opposition said it was such a bad idea for the country it would be irresponsible to even agree to hold a referendum on it. Yet, apparently Brian down the road knew better…

cannonballz · 03/06/2024 23:51

Its a massive mess. No redeeming features at all. We are going to be paying for Brexit for generations, literally.

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 03/06/2024 23:49

This thread is quite extraordinary.
For those arguing that the majority vote didn't result in Brexit, blame those who pissed their democratic right to vote up the wall. It wouldn't be very democratic to force people to vote.

Yes, this 100%.

It's really quite arrogant and very foolish indeed to expect that you can deliberately not bother to vote for something for which you have the right, but that those in charge will still magically know - and act on - what you would have voted for, had you bothered.

I wonder if the people who hold this view are the same ones who insist that people who choose not to get married should be forcibly treated as married by the government anyway, if there's any chance that the way they co-habit with another adult might possibly look a bit 'marriage-y'.

If you have a vote where there is one available outcome that you prefer, yet you choose not to use it, you have abstained - and therefore, any feelings or regrets that you may have about the result are your private thoughts only and have no relevance whatsoever in the public sphere of debate.

Just a handy little tip for anybody, regardless of what the options involve, if you're ever offered a choice and there is one option that you prefer, CHOOSE IT.

RosesAndHellebores · 03/06/2024 23:14

Lonelycrab · 03/06/2024 19:52

Prices have rocketed everywhere.

I was talking about quality, and choice. Notice that you skirted around that one, unsurprisingly.

There has been no change in relation to the quality of food or choice available where I live in the South East. The only issue I have encountered at the supermarket was in the early 1980s when one could no longer buy a chicken with giblets and that was due to EU rules.

Makes note to write to the next PM to ask when giblets in chickens will be reinstated. Now that has taken too long post brexit.

Lassi · 03/06/2024 22:55

How do you keep sane living on an island you describe as ‘shitty?’ It’s certainly not perfect and we are governed by fools but we don’t have the monopoly on that.

Lassi · 03/06/2024 22:52

If you think visas are the main barrier to working-class people accessing opportunities @AnotherEmma you are very badly mistaken.
@OptimismvsRealism i know you feel passionately that Brexit was a terrible mistake but people’s living standards have declined for very many reasons. Zero hours contracts, rising housing costs, lack of access to further and higher education for example. If you ask anyone who has lived experience of really challenging lives in the UK, very few will blame Brexit. And no, it’s not because they are stupid or ignorant as people like you accuse them of being.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 03/06/2024 22:52

Yanbu. It is still appalling.

OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 22:32

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:59

Can you spell out what opportunities they have lost? There is (or should be) less competition for jobs in the UK now which should benefit working class kids.

Immigration is at an all time high. Ironic that the anti immigration voters chose the opposite of what they believed they wanted.

Kids in the UK are now stuck on this shitty island instead of having the opportunity to freely work, live, love and explore (without limitations) across an entire continent.

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AnotherEmma · 03/06/2024 22:31

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:59

Can you spell out what opportunities they have lost? There is (or should be) less competition for jobs in the UK now which should benefit working class kids.

I studied languages at university and the year abroad was a vital part of it. My uni friends and I all spent a year in the European country of our choice, immersed in the language and culture. A huge number of young people have done this, Europeans in the UK and British people in Europe, and have had hugely enriching experiences as a result. It has the potential to change the direction of your whole life, as it can impact your career and/or personal life (eg meeting a life partner) and people end up settling in that country or moving countries to make a life with someone from another country. When the UK was part of the EU, it was so easy to do this because no visas were needed, so studying and working in Europe was a readily available option for British people (and vice versa) but it is no longer anything like as easy. If a British and European citizen wanted a relationship, they could live in each other's countries without any trouble, whereas if you happened to fall for someone from the US or Canada or indeed anywhere else outside Europe, you'd have to sort visas pretty quickly (and I know couples who got married VERY early in their relationships for visa reasons!)

Perhaps you'll argue that these lost opportunities are a "middle class" thing and that the working class never did any of it and are not missing out on it... perhaps you think that the Brits have more to gain (in terms of keeping the UK and its jobs to themselves) than they do to lose (in terms of freedom to live, study and work in Europe. But I would argue that visas - with all their financial requirements in terms of the expense of getting one, the need for a certain type of job or level of income, etc - create extra barriers for people from a working class or lower income background who might be interested in those kinds of opportunities.

I guess it depends whether you think that living abroad can be an enriching experience and should be available to people; I obviously think that but perhaps others don't value it the way I do.

OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 22:30

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:57

You're clearly one of the rich ones who only care about your holidays and freedom of movement.
Meanwhile us working class types saw our wages been reduced from in the £30k's to low £20k's because EU immigrants from (particularly) Spain, Italy, Poland were willing to undercut UK wages significantly and they did.
The people whinging about Brexit usually suffered no pay cuts due to freedom of movement and don't give a damn about the working class who did suffer.

The working class benefited from being in the EU.

Quality of life-boosting standard-setting, European structural funds to pay for economic development programs, Erasmus for those at uni who could never otherwise have afforded to study abroad. Prices are up because of Brexit. Workers are unable to find work because of Brexit. Small business are fucked became of Brexit. The EU was a friend to ordinary people. The UK government was the problem. Refusing to provide British kids with the education they needed to fully benefit. Then slyly blaming Johnny Foreigner.

it's depressing that you still don't understand what you gave away but I guess ignorance is bliss.

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BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 03/06/2024 22:29

QueenCamilla · 03/06/2024 20:57

Omg, this post.... So children lying next to their dead parents is within the acceptable "bad of life" to you, just as your husband's dead colleagues (without forgetting to note that luckily he's around still) but god forbid the absolute HORROR of being unable to retire to Greece!

Are you not self-sufficient enough in your retirement age to move anyway? Would be good if you could make it.

I think you misunderstood. The hell the previous poster was on about was surely lockdown not the pandemic

Eyesopenwideawake · 03/06/2024 22:26

Hesma · 03/06/2024 18:24

Yep! My new European passport arrives at the end of the month. No point in renewing my British one

Me too. I live in Europe and have an Irish passport. My British one elapsed earlier this year, I won't renew it.

Fluffyhoglets · 03/06/2024 22:22

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:57

You're clearly one of the rich ones who only care about your holidays and freedom of movement.
Meanwhile us working class types saw our wages been reduced from in the £30k's to low £20k's because EU immigrants from (particularly) Spain, Italy, Poland were willing to undercut UK wages significantly and they did.
The people whinging about Brexit usually suffered no pay cuts due to freedom of movement and don't give a damn about the working class who did suffer.

Have your wages gone back up now we've left?
This is a genuine question as if so it would possibly be a benefit of Brexit - and knowing that some low paid people are better off would at least be something.

But otherwise I just think the rich got richer.
I will never be OK about or accept Brexit and hope the new govt at least try and minimise the harm rather than just say the inevitable negatives are the EU being awkward (because they actually treat us like the 3rd country we wanted to be!)

And the ironic thing is Cameron called the referendum to try and get rid of the threat of UKIP to the tory party - and here we are 8 YEARS after the vote - and yep - Farage is still a threat to the tories in this election even though we ended up with brexit!

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:59

Mprecheclogsboard · 03/06/2024 21:03

me too OP, not so much for me, more for the opportunities my children will miss out on.

Can you spell out what opportunities they have lost? There is (or should be) less competition for jobs in the UK now which should benefit working class kids.

Zebedee999 · 03/06/2024 21:57

Tallerandtall · 03/06/2024 20:23

@OptimismvsRealism

brexit has hugely damaged this country.
anyone who says not is literally an idiot.

the uk will have to rejoin the EEA at the very least and will probably pay more than it did in total before for less say.

the immigration issue was never the EU it was empire and wars etc.

bring back freedom of movement

You're clearly one of the rich ones who only care about your holidays and freedom of movement.
Meanwhile us working class types saw our wages been reduced from in the £30k's to low £20k's because EU immigrants from (particularly) Spain, Italy, Poland were willing to undercut UK wages significantly and they did.
The people whinging about Brexit usually suffered no pay cuts due to freedom of movement and don't give a damn about the working class who did suffer.

Mprecheclogsboard · 03/06/2024 21:03

me too OP, not so much for me, more for the opportunities my children will miss out on.