To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

Yes it was the autism thread. It was quite interesting as a few posters who take a very different approach to U.K. and comment on here really went for the Aus hardline policy

It seems a disconnect, I wonder why

Yes, if I wanted to move to Australia - so not even seeking economic betterment, as the UK has a similar standard of living and wealth to start with; and a similar culture, so no major issues with assimilating there either - my disabilities would instantly have me rejected, without any officials there even interviewing me, speaking to me or considering my case, as I would be seen as 'a drain on their country' that they don't want or need and that's that.

I'm just wondering what the headlines would scream if the UK was found to be discriminating against disabled migrants and instantly rejecting or throwing them out purely on the grounds of their disabilities?

And painting Farage as some kind of 'pre-Hitler', on the basis that "this is how it begins" is absurd.

All of the murderers and violent criminals now in our prisons began as innocent babies and toddlers; but maybe we should have been watching out at nurseries for the ones who pushed the other kids or bit them, so we could have got in there quickly to write them off as dangerous, vicious, murderous thugs, eh?

I won't get over it either, I am so incredibly angry and sad that it was ever for a vote, since it was a much deeper question than it was made out to be. No one could have voted for leave if they had all the facts in front of them. It was not an informed choice at all. I also think that is has "shrunk" our nation and the opportunities we had/could have had, in all walks of life. I fucking hate the lying bastard tories.

Yes it stands out to me how countries fare in threads

One on Aus strict immigration policy the other day pretty much filled with their country their rules

Farage is nothing like Hitler, he’s not advocating exterminating people. I don’t think wanting stricter border control makes someone a terrible person. Many countries do like the US, Canada, Switzerland and Australia.

Yes, this is something that I really don't get. Other countries are 'protecting their borders with the common-sense, practical measures that they have in place'... whereas the UK is 'nasty, racist and xenophobic' for wanting to do the same.

Ireland was recently complaining that the majority of 'their' economic migrants/asylum seekers had come directly from the UK, which was 'clearly our fault'; but a great many of those have first come to the UK directly from other safe, wealthy western European countries, which apparently is 'also our fault'. Most people making it safely to France from a poor and/or war-torn country would think they'd won the lottery; not be desperately making dangerous plans to get to the UK.

Whether you believe that countries should be allowed to strictly monitor who enters their borders and reject anybody they don't want; or whether you think that anybody should be able to freely go and live anywhere they like in the world - why the blatant double standards? I have many reservations about the Rwanda scheme, but we aren't the first country to do it (whether sending migrants to Rwanda or similarly less-developed and thus less-desirable countries); so why are the others not criticised for doing the same before us?

And I'd be the first to admit that we get a lot wrong in the UK, but that doesn't mean that we are automatically wrong in everything we do; especially when other countries doing the same thing or holding to the same principles are escaping any criticism at all, sometimes even praised for their wise approach.

Not RTT, but Labour clearly have no intention of reversing Brexit, given their policy to add VAT to private school fees - EU rules don’t allow for tax on education.

Have you forgotten about austerity? A coalition policy of the LibDem/Tory government which has absolutely decimated the UK and directly led to 150,000 deaths? Politicians are very lucky that some people have extremely short memories…😦

A- no need to be rude
B- how about the housing market (supposedly) collapsing?

@EasternStandard

thats is a rather sad snap shot.

on average the Uk has performed worse on inflation over the last two years than comparable economies by a long way.

@Sausagenbacon

jesus your grip on economics is poor.
if you think many of the things predicted after Brexit haven’t happened

worse economy than the block even ignoring Covid over the last two years
higher energy costs
hugher than average inflation
weak pound
unblanced employment market due to stopping freedom of movEment
pointless tariffs
lack of significant free trade deals
lack of investment
firms leaving footie
crumbling infrastructure

and more and more and more

i run an international business and I can assure you the UK is an laughing stock and worse it’s suffering deeply and it hasn’t finished yet by a long way

I’m not sure that’s correct re inflation. Looking it up

UK Inflation Rate is at 2.30%,

Did they? I think pretty much everything of "Project Fear" has become "Project reality" has it not?

The only thing I was wrong about (and thankfully so) was that the Tories would immediately dismantle employment rights. I think that was to do with covid, though.

In what way, other than tuition fees, for which they rightly deserve criticism.

I think once the Tories got an overall majority in 2015 it became clear how the Libdems had been keeping them in check.

However, if we didn't have FPTP there would have been a lot of UKIP MPs. Not sure we'd have wanted that, although I would like to see a more proportional form of representation. I live in a safe Tory seat so my vote is always wasted.

That’s not actually true. Inflation year to April in the UK is 2.3%.
It’s 2.4% in the eurozone and 3.4% in the U.S.

The biggest problems in the UK are nothing mostly to do with Brexit.

I’m not actually bothered about Brexit either way. Most people who voted, voted for it, so it’s right that’s what we did.

Farage is nothing like Hitler, he’s not advocating exterminating people. I don’t think wanting stricter border control makes someone a terrible person. Many countries do like the US, Canada, Switzerland and Australia. I’m not a Farage fan but at least he’s a conviction politician who means what he says. He does what he says as well. He’s a leader. I would believe/ trust him more than Sunak and Johnson. Starmer doesn’t seem to be able to answer a question.
I don’t like Farage and wouldn’t vote for him but I can respect him.

If you genuinely believe that, you don’t understand electoral law at even the most basic level.

A petition is as much part of democratic process of this country as a referendum. In fact it's probably more democratic seeing as there's no restriction on who can start and/or respond to one.

Why do you think that providing everyone in the country with a means of having any topic or issue they feel is important brought before government (providing it meets certain thresholds of support) is undemocratic?

In what way is it worse? What difference does it make really?

Yes.
And it should be remembered that politicians also made lurid claims about what would happen when we left the EU. Which didn't happen.

Whether you agree with their reasoning or not, it's very normal for countries/nations/states to undergo financial struggles for years immediately following independence.

Did those who voted Yes in the Scottish Referendum believe that they would be instantly richer and living a more privileged lifestyle as soon as they went their own way, or did they expect that it would be a rough old ride to start with, but one that was well worth it for the far greater gains and freedoms that they believed would eventually be theirs as an independent country? Or were they all just 'racist little Scotlanders'?

Some people do believe that temporary - or even permanent - losses of wealth/privilege/opportunity in some areas are a price worth paying for independence and freedom. If you were married to an immensely rich man who provided you with every material and financial benefit that you could possibly desire, but it became clear to you that he despised you, took you for granted and treated you like an employee, would you be 'crazy' for divorcing him, or would you think your independence and self-respect was worth more than all you could keep if you stayed quietly compliant in the gilded cage? They may well have been deceived, but I believe that this is how a huge number of Brexit voters probably felt.

Again, whether you believe that he was telling the truth or not, Farage's proclamation was that he wanted to be 'friends with Europe, trade freely with Europe, but not ruled by Europe'. However achievable this was/is in reality, can you honestly say that this sounds an openly fascist/hateful/racist/incendiary/absurd desire?

Like with the blatant £350m a week bus lie, it's hardly the first time when voters would have made their decision based on 'facts' and promises from their political 'superiors' which turned out to be outright lies.

Until the point when political promises, proclaimed principles and manifestoes are made legally enforceable, with regular independent 'appraisals' and the threat of severe punishment for those who break them or do a sudden about-turn once they're safely elected, what alternative does the average person truly have but to hope that everybody who seeks their vote is not lying through their teeth? I personally blame the liars far, far more than I do those who fell for the lies.

Thank you!

Reading online can be a little confusing, I didn't know if my daughter could apply her first passport as Irish as I am 'technically' Irish. But you're right, so thanks for the heads up.

I can't wait to get mine. My life plan includes some living on the continent. It's actually quite exciting to know that I can just apply for mine! And I'll happily do it for my kids and see about them studying abroad etc

I know a Brexit voter who wanted to retire in Spain, so I feel your pain!

You are automatically Irish through your dad. For your children you will need to get a Foreign Birth Registration certificate. Just have to collect a few more documents. Worth it though. One of my Brexit voting relatives has done it. Sigh.

A friend of mine worked on tariffs since the 1970s with Customs & Excise. He took early retirement a few years ago and was later asked to come back on his own terms. But he can't face it , says it will take decades to unravel.

Just checked and I don't even have to jump through the hoops, I am automatically Irish! That has made my day, week, month and year!

Yes, I am still furious. And always will be.

I will be jumping through the hoops to get an Irish passport thanks to my father/grandparents. I wish I had done that for my children, instead of the British passport.