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To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

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OptimismvsRealism · 03/06/2024 17:27

It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

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Sausagenbacon · 10/06/2024 09:23

good point

Aladdinzane · 10/06/2024 09:22

@Sausagenbacon

The UK parliament doesn't get to choose what it has a vote on.

JazbayGrapes · 10/06/2024 09:17

European here. As much as i was initially mad, I'm looking at things in my home country and its not optimistic. EU is going down the pan big time.

Sausagenbacon · 10/06/2024 08:44

If you don't get to choose what you vote on it doesn't seem very democratic, to me, anyway.

amyboo · 10/06/2024 08:38

@Sausagenbacon How is it that the EP has no power exactly? The EP and the Council together vote on almost all EU law. The Commission proposes legislation but doesn't vote. So, I'm not sure why you think the EP vote doesn't matter....

FinanceLPlates · 10/06/2024 08:33

I find this - dare I say - Schadenfreude at the resurgence of the far right quite sickening.
lt’s worrying for all of humanity.

Sausagenbacon · 10/06/2024 08:07

Essentially, of course, this vote is meaningless, as the EP has no power. But, as there are no elections for the Commission, which DOES have all the power, this is a useful litmus test.

user411966691966 · 10/06/2024 08:01

Maybe they should offer their citizens a referendum on EU membership as there is obviously discord and surprisingly this includes their young people.

Sausagenbacon · 10/06/2024 07:16

An interesting article on the appeal of Farage

www.thetimes.com/article/8cae501c-9b1c-43db-9c28-53dc6f6374ce?shareToken=62ae2a578a1735d3642420e70679fa0c

Sausagenbacon · 10/06/2024 07:02

I don't recognise the tories as Far Right. In fact, they are more Centre Right in their present configuration.
As for UKIP - what is their political importance in the UK? Negligible.

Aladdinzane · 09/06/2024 23:14

@Sausagenbacon

Funny that you don't recognise that we did this already.

UKIP and the Tories sat with the far right groups in the EU Parliament

Sausagenbacon · 09/06/2024 23:04

I am really looking forward to the reactions of those who believed that the EU was the land of milk and honey when they see it veering dramatically to the Right.

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Lassi · 09/06/2024 22:51

Aladdinzane · 09/06/2024 22:06

@Lassi UKIP are though. I also think the Tories verge on it, there is great amount of British exceptionalism that means people think that because these parties are British they aren't quite as bad as other.

Le Pen and Farage are the same side of the coin.

I’m not sure it’s simply down to exceptionalism which distinguishes them per se. I agree that Farage is the closest thing we have to what we are seeing in Europe. Let’s see how he does in the election. He’s failed 7 times to be elected to Parliament. Here’s hoping for an eighth loss.

Sausagenbacon · 09/06/2024 22:47

That was one of the interesting points in the Larry Elliot article I linked

GentlemanJohnny · 09/06/2024 22:26

Having seen the way the EU seems to be lurching to the right, I'm wondering if we aren't actually better off out of it for a while (& I voted "remain").

Aladdinzane · 09/06/2024 22:06

@Lassi UKIP are though. I also think the Tories verge on it, there is great amount of British exceptionalism that means people think that because these parties are British they aren't quite as bad as other.

Le Pen and Farage are the same side of the coin.

Lassi · 09/06/2024 22:00

Aladdinzane · 09/06/2024 21:15

@Lassi

We did the same back in 2014 with UKIP, the tories have been basically the same as many "far right" european parties for the last 5 years anyway.

I loath the Tories but they’re not in the same category as some of the far-right parties who are performing well in Europe.

Aladdinzane · 09/06/2024 21:15

@Lassi

We did the same back in 2014 with UKIP, the tories have been basically the same as many "far right" european parties for the last 5 years anyway.

Lassi · 09/06/2024 19:53

Well there are some very interesting results coming from European elections with the far-right making huge ground. I wonder how this makes the very vocal Remainers feel? Are they comfortable with this?

parkrun500club · 07/06/2024 10:42

Lassi · 05/06/2024 18:03

@parkrun500club I don’t know where your idea the LibDems ‘kept Tories in check’ comes from because there is no evidence of that. Conversely it’s well documented that austerity directly led to 150,000 deaths. Google is your friend.

Things got a lot worse in 2015. Anyway you don't have to agree with me. I have my view and you have yours.

People thought the Coalition government was bad - but they'd not seen anything yet,

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 10:16

Therapy4all · 04/06/2024 23:18

Thank you!

Reading online can be a little confusing, I didn't know if my daughter could apply her first passport as Irish as I am 'technically' Irish. But you're right, so thanks for the heads up.

I can't wait to get mine. My life plan includes some living on the continent. It's actually quite exciting to know that I can just apply for mine! And I'll happily do it for my kids and see about them studying abroad etc

I know a Brexit voter who wanted to retire in Spain, so I feel your pain!

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You will need your Irish parents birth cert , marriage cert if applicable and your own birth cert of course. Good luck. Imagine ...millions of ppl voted Leave to escape the dreaded EU red tape. Now look at us !

Lassi · 05/06/2024 18:03

@parkrun500club I don’t know where your idea the LibDems ‘kept Tories in check’ comes from because there is no evidence of that. Conversely it’s well documented that austerity directly led to 150,000 deaths. Google is your friend.

tallcurvey · 05/06/2024 17:22

@goodnessmeitsfriday

well said

parkrun500club · 05/06/2024 16:56

Lassi · 05/06/2024 13:15

Have you forgotten about austerity? A coalition policy of the LibDem/Tory government which has absolutely decimated the UK and directly led to 150,000 deaths? Politicians are very lucky that some people have extremely short memories…😦

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No, but it would have been 100 times worse without the Libdems keeping them somewhat in check. From 2015 things got a whole lot worse.

Not sure where your 150,000 figure comes from.

Most people making it safely to France from a poor and/or war-torn country would think they'd won the lottery; not be desperately making dangerous plans to get to the UK

you'd think. I also remember reading about Iranian doctors leaving Germany to come to the UK. Germany has its share of potholes and delayed trains, but who in their right mind would choose Brexit Britain over Germany?

Edited: I know some people aren't making the choice and are being trafficked.

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