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To think level crossing cameras should cover the whole area around

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Whywhywhyu · 03/06/2024 17:08

Some kids nearly got hit locally to me yes I know they shouldn’t have been there however I would have thought the cctv covered the whole are. However I’ve discovered that it only covers the person checking if the crossing is clear to allow the train to pass. AIBU to find this dangerous as people could walk out from further along.

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DogInATent · 06/06/2024 20:36

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 20:30

Not all of them; some use an obstacle detector.

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Ooh, thanks for that. I hadn't realised they had gone Live, last time I read about it it was still a trial. Interesting technology.

https://lbfoster.com/en-gb/case-studies/network-rail-level-crossing-obstacle-detection-systems

Network Rail - Level crossing obstacle detection systems

https://lbfoster.com/en-gb/case-studies/network-rail-level-crossing-obstacle-detection-systems

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 20:30

DogInATent · 06/06/2024 20:23

All automatic barrier railway crossings are supervised, more often remotely by camera than direct line of sight these days. The signalman operates the crossing and confirms that the gates/barriers are in the correct position and that the crossing area is clear before signaling the all clear.

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Not all of them; some use an obstacle detector.

DogInATent · 06/06/2024 20:23

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 19:39

Where have you read that?

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All automatic barrier railway crossings are supervised, more often remotely by camera than direct line of sight these days. The signalman operates the crossing and confirms that the gates/barriers are in the correct position and that the crossing area is clear before signaling the all clear.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/06/2024 20:22

I mean we could make it a whole lot safer by simply not having train lines at all..

We could cut road deaths to zero overnight if we banned roads and cars.

Safety measures should be there... but there comes a point where adding more just makes the system unworkable. Adding more cameras and manning them all is unsustainable on several levels. It would render the network unusable as trains would be stopped all over the place for no good reason, it would cost so much train fares would be out of most peoples reach...

Don't piss about on the tracks. Teach kids not to do that. Don't do it yourself.

KrisAkabusi · 06/06/2024 20:20

I'm sorry you lost someone. But I do feel that people are responsible for their own actions. Companies can try to make their property/activities safer, but ultimately cannot be responsible for people acting irresponsibly.

Starlightstarbright3 · 06/06/2024 20:17

We had someone killed here on the train running away from the police .

people get killed on train tracks , I lady also got killed hit by a bus a month ago., moving vehicles are dangerous.

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 20:00

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:41

A website

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Is this an official website, i.e. owned by Network Rail or a reputable news outlet?

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:41

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 19:39

Where have you read that?

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A website

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LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 19:39

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:27

It says this particular one has a signaller that presses if it’s clear

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Where have you read that?

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:38

KrisAkabusi · 06/06/2024 19:34

So you're completely ignoring all the valid reasons that people have given to explain why it's not possible? And also ignoring any personal responsibility that people should take for deliberately trespassing in a dangerous area?

I guess maybe I’m illogical but I lost someone due to this so I feel more strongly about it

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KrisAkabusi · 06/06/2024 19:34

So you're completely ignoring all the valid reasons that people have given to explain why it's not possible? And also ignoring any personal responsibility that people should take for deliberately trespassing in a dangerous area?

Allthegoodnamesaregone1 · 06/06/2024 19:28

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:27

I think there should be it’s a very high risk location

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Do you posses any critical thinking?

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:27

TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:13

But they wouldn't. The cameras aren't manned like you'd expect them to be. They're recording and you can request footage but there isn't someone looking at a screen constantly watching.

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It says this particular one has a signaller that presses if it’s clear

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:27

TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:13

But they wouldn't. The cameras aren't manned like you'd expect them to be. They're recording and you can request footage but there isn't someone looking at a screen constantly watching.

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I think there should be it’s a very high risk location

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berksandbeyond · 06/06/2024 19:15

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:13

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:07

well they would be caught before they got hit is what I’m saying

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But they wouldn't. The cameras aren't manned like you'd expect them to be. They're recording and you can request footage but there isn't someone looking at a screen constantly watching.

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 19:11

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:00

Because it should be stopped further up the line and not be allowed to travel down

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You're not appreciating the logistics of stopping a train. The line is not continuously signalled, and the stopping distance means that a train has to go through a double yellow and then a yellow to have time to slow down and stop safely at the red. Slamming on the emergency brake is a danger in itself to driver and passengers; there is a risk of the train derailing. Not to mention that stopping a train will mess up the train behind it because it will have to stop as well; and likely cause delays to all subsequent services and even other lines because once the train crew is delayed, they are not in a position to join other trains when they should.

ohtowinthelottery · 06/06/2024 19:08

I can think of at least 3 unmanned, unbarriered level crossings within 1 mile of here plus one (at the station ) with barriers. Only the one with the barriers has cameras as it's at the railway station. The train drivers are supposed to blast their horn as they approach the others, but they don't always do it!

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:07

TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:06

Cameras also wouldn't deter people from ending their life. If they're about to end their life on a railway (or anywhere ) they'll be in no fit state to care about Cameras.

The train that hits them will more than likely capture it on CCTV anyway.

well they would be caught before they got hit is what I’m saying

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TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:06

Cameras also wouldn't deter people from ending their life. If they're about to end their life on a railway (or anywhere ) they'll be in no fit state to care about Cameras.

The train that hits them will more than likely capture it on CCTV anyway.

TheChippendenSpook · 06/06/2024 19:02

They don't have people sitting and watching the cameras live. You can request footage, but only after any incident has already occurred.

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Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 19:00

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 18:40

How would this work? A train can't just stop if people are on the line - the stopping distance of a train, on average, is at least a mile.

Because it should be stopped further up the line and not be allowed to travel down

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PuttingDownRoots · 06/06/2024 18:57

Whywhywhyu · 06/06/2024 18:32

That’s why I deem them unsafe

The whole rail network?
And motorways?
Actually any road?
Building sites?
Rivers?

You can put up barriers, put up signs, lock gates... but ultimately people have to take personal responsibility to not mess around in dangerous places.

UnNiddeRides · 06/06/2024 18:53

Gladtobeout · 06/06/2024 18:36

Pretty sure a Darwin award would cover it.

🤣🤣

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 06/06/2024 18:40

How would this work? A train can't just stop if people are on the line - the stopping distance of a train, on average, is at least a mile.