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What about me, makes me the family scapegoat?

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ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 11:16

Just as an example:
It was our wedding anniversary, and whilst getting ready to go out for a rare meal, my sister knocks the door

We answer, and she hadn't come round to bring a card, she had come round to tell us the latest installment in her drama filled life, but we didn't have time to sit and listen (nor want to at that time tbh)

She asked what we were doing this evening and looked at my husband and said 'and you chose to marry that' whilst nodding at me

The venomous tone in her voice, literally came out of no where and my husband looked shocked and walked out of the room to ask me later why all my family are like this - constant snide remarks

I do not know why - but they are - all my family are the same and it must be something about me that invites this - even my adult daughter constantly picks me apart at any opportunity, I cannot remember the last time I had a conversation with her where she was not rude.

And dont even get me started about my parents - my Mother stopped speaking to me about 8 years ago with no warning (and not even an argument leading up to this - i had never heard of anyone being ghosted by their own mother.......

My Dad i speak to but he called me a couple of years back to advise I was being removed from their Will as I have my own house (Yes i have 50% of a mortgaged house) in favor of my sister as she has never worked and lives in social housing. I just nodded and said OK as it really is their business what they do - but in reality a Will of a parent is more than the money, its their last opportunity to give a message to you, its not just financial, its about what the gift means

What about me makes me the family punch bag? I stutter when I talk and i do not come back with witty one liners to their constant barage of put downs so im thinking it may be that, like im an easy target

Or maybe im just a fuckin arsehole like they want me to think

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ToadofTOADhall9 · 04/06/2024 09:50

Someone asked about my parents

My Mum is certainly Narcissistic. She would play strange games when we were kids like fake faint, to see who would come running

My Dad, isnt Narcassistic but is a huge enabler.

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ToadofTOADhall9 · 04/06/2024 09:48

Craftysue · 03/06/2024 17:37

I would have nothing to do with them tbh. I've cut ties with toxic family members and I don't regret it for a minute. You deserve better than this. I know it's different with your daughter but call her out every time she's rude - hang up on her if you have to. I really wish you all the best - you don't need people like this in your life

You are right - the consequences of not speaking to her again - It is much worse with my daughter.

I could honestly imagine never speaking to Mum (well that choice was removed from me years ago) and Sister, ever again

My Daughter is different though, she consistently tells me I am the problem and I am to blame for every problem she has. At the minute I am blocked by her - on any contact, and the last message she sent me was that I am bad for her mental health (because I apparently repeated myself on something we were talking about). I mean is this really such a crime, as on reflection It seems to me that it is an excuse, and she had already planned this. But these blockings are regular as clockwork

My relationship with my daughter nowadays, feels like a one-sided control game as daughter is in control if we will speak again/or when.

This is how petty it has got. It is obvious my daughter has issues, - she has pushed away any friends she made, over the years, as treats people awfully (but somehow it is always their fault) - but as an outside observer it defo is not the case. Her relationship broke down towards the end of last year, and since then her behavior towards me, has become much worse. I dont know the ins and outs of why they brke up

She has had multiple incredible opportunities in her life, and none have come into fruition - her choice.

My DH is not her dad. I met DH when daughter was 14 (she's 31 now) . Her biological dad was not present at all - She was the result of abuse and her bio dad should have been in prison although I never perused this (and don't want to delve in to this any further, please - just telling you for background)

My DH is refusing to come visit daughter at minute and he says she is gunning for me. Like she doesn't want me to have a life at all. Say for example, we are going out for the day/ weekend away - she will consistently spam my phone non stop and create stress.

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Sharontheodopolodous · 03/06/2024 19:51

I think in my case,it's because I can see them for what they are

And they don't like it,am fearful I can (and would) expose them for what they are and they are shit scared of the power I have

They want to be me but they can't so they attack me instead

I went nc with them-and every single one have come snivelling back to me at one point or another

They don't want me,they want their punchbag back but I refuse to play that game

Craftysue · 03/06/2024 17:37

I would have nothing to do with them tbh. I've cut ties with toxic family members and I don't regret it for a minute. You deserve better than this. I know it's different with your daughter but call her out every time she's rude - hang up on her if you have to. I really wish you all the best - you don't need people like this in your life

stayathomer · 03/06/2024 17:12

If a dh tells a sister where to go there’s more of a chance he’s the one who’ll get it later, whether from the family or his brand new wife. I don’t think it’s the time to be turning op against her dh given how her family act!!!!!

Catsbreakfast · 03/06/2024 17:09

Do you ever stand your own ground? If someone talked to me or about me kike that, they’d be out on the street and probably licking a few proverbial wounds. They do this and get away with because you do not challenge them. Your question is the wrong one. Why they do this is because they can. Do not let them and tell them exactly what they are and what they need to hear. Don’t let them walk over you and ask why it’s the easiest way for them to go.

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 03/06/2024 17:04

The explanation is simple - your family are nutters. Why are you even still in contact with them.

Move to the other side of the country and leave no forwarding address <only half joking>

JLou08 · 03/06/2024 16:46

I very much doubt it is you. Scapegoating is usually a generational thing, the parent who has issues will target one of the children and make them the scapegoat, making everyone else in the family think they are not the problem but the scapegoated child is. Rest of the family go along with it either fear of the person, fear they will be scapegoated or because they have been manipulated into respecting/wanting to impress the parent who instigated it. It will be ingrained in your sister to act this way now and tbh I think it's unlikely she will change.

Sorry you've been through this, I've seen it in other families and it's awful :(

Pantaloons99 · 03/06/2024 16:40

Your sister is monstrous. You've had the misfortune of growing up in a highly dysfunctional family sadly. Your mum and or dad will likely be narcissistic and would have developed that from their own childhood. Your troubles and lack of confidence are all from that. It's nothing to do with you and the wonderful person you are inside.
There are many great books and videos online that can help you understand.
I'd make sure your husband is firmly told, with confidence, that you are not your family. That sister would be permanently distanced from my life. I've had to do the same with a highly abusive sociopath brother.

Jennyathemall · 03/06/2024 16:33

It’s not your fault but nasty people will seek to dominate those they perceive as weaker. If you are quiet, don’t assert yourself or set boundaries, don’t stand up for yourself or speak up when you disagree, try and keep the peace rather than cause an argument, then certain people will take that as weakness and something for them to exploit.

LegionOfCats · 03/06/2024 16:25

Your sister is vile OP. Some people change when they get older, but your sister is damaged and will never do so. The rot began when you were kids - what mother doesn't protect her child from being assaulted both physically and emotionally? Where was your dad in all this? I know you said that you keep in touch with him now, but sounds like he was emotionally absent when you were growing up. did he just bury his head in the sand and pretend that this was normal sister rivalry?

Roundroundthegarden · 03/06/2024 16:23

KreedKafer · 03/06/2024 13:41

Your sister bullies you because your parents did and your adult daughter bullies you because she’s grown up watching the rest of your family bully you. (Is your husband your daughter’s dad? If he is, he needs to have a stern word with her. If he’s not, what was her dad like? Did he bully you as well?)

Basically, you are a nice person and your family are not. You are the better person here. I would be inclined to tell the whole lot of them to piss off.

This. Especially your daughter. Who does she think she is. She's an adult now, no excuse for this. Disgusting the lot of them. Stop being a punchbag by not allowing them any more access to you. You have your dh so leave the rest of them to it.

Steakandwine · 03/06/2024 16:09

This is awful, it has to stop. I would tell them enough is enough they've bullied you for far too long and until they change and show you respect not to contact you and stay away. I know it's daunting but you can do it and it will liberate you.
You deserve kindness especially from family. I've cut toxic family from my life they have no place there. It's up to you if you want to cut them out and noone would blame you.

ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 15:54

My Mum and Sister always had a club, the stay up late and gossip club - My sister would often cause issues, be suspended from school or run away, and instead of punishment, my sister was pulled in closer, whilst I was pushed further out.

From a young age i never felt i belonged in that family, my sister would tell me i was adopted and kick the absolute shit out of me at every opportunity - She would cause trouble with other girls in my year at school (tell one of my closest friend i had called her a slag - untrue) and tell my teenage boyfriend I was cheating on him (again untrue) - which ended up in me being relentlessly bullied and my sister kicking the shit out of me in the playground as oft as possible.

Then I was asked to leave the family home at age 15. I never even got to do my GCSEs

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LegionOfCats · 03/06/2024 15:24

@Sofabodatgym such a relatable post. Excellent advice/ analysis!

What is it about groups of women? I'm exactly the same - no problem in telling random strangers to f off when they overstep, but a group of women being mean, I turn to jelly. I guess it stems from the two protagonists in my family story - narcissistic mum and malignant narcissistic sister who threatened me from an early age with violence and then went on to successfully oust me from the entire family through lies and intimidation. No one ever saw the abuse from sister - she'd always do it when we were alone or cleverly, when others had their backs turned she'd sneer, or hiss at me that I wasn't welcome . I like your method of shining a light on it - so much abusive behaviour happens under cover and then people doubt your judgement, preferring to keep with the status quo that your the problem or too sensitive etc.

ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 15:20

Isn't it exhausting having these types of people in your life - you cannot relax as you know - you just know full well that you are awaiting the next shitty comment - like waiting for a bomb to drop

I definitely do need to break this chain, as the weight it is having on my mental health is not the best.

After a telephone call with my daughter last night, and several patronizing comments I realized all this needs to stop. I have had enough - I have come to the conclusion that time is running out, im getting old now, yet im still being treated like im a nuisance to be around like when i was a kid (except for my husband)

I cannot continue in to my middle age like this. Last night my daughter told me I was a hypochondriac as I mentioned I had been to the GP. I was diagnosed with two progressive lung diseases in March this year, so visits to the GP are a necessity on occasion.

Then we got to talking about something else and she tutted and sighed and said I was irritating her as I had already told her what I was saying (maybe I had, I couldn't remember and it is really a big deal?) - at that point she said she was going as she had 'had enough' of me constantly repeating myself and blocked me. Blocked my calls for the crime of apparently repeating something. This is standard, i'm blocked at least once a month. But this time I feel like blocking her back and just fucking ending this charade of pain.

I feel like my daughter wants to keep hurting me, coming back and hurting me over and over. I am not sure why, and I feel like i genuinely cba at this point. shes 35 years old

This might come across as I'm exaggerating, but I am not. I have never spoken to anyone irl about all this as it comes across as if I am lying to make things seem more dramatic somehow

Why do i put up with this pain though - i mean i would never put up with this treatment from a friend.

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Steakandwine · 03/06/2024 15:13

Oh I can relate, i was always blamed for this and that then one day I stood up for myself and it started with my evil auntie who was absolutely horrible and tried accusing me of things just through pure jealousy. Some people are just strange don't question yourself and hopefully one day youll tell them all to eff off. It's liberating. Don't let anyone bully you

Sofabodatgym · 03/06/2024 14:35

Another scapegoat here.

I'm so sorry about how your family has treated you. It may sound odd but at least when your sister says something utterly vile, then it's out in the open. I think when it's all invisible but you know you're being treated like shit, it's somehow worse as it's harder to describe/stop.

I've only really got engaged with boundaries the last few years, after lots of therapy. It's easy for me to say no/get away if someone is rude on a bus but if a group of women scapegoat me, then I've had a lot of practice in sucking it up, being their scapegoat. I think getting comfortable with being disliked is quite key, it's a practice. There's this parent in my life who treats me like my family used to (I also got ghosted - in my case by siblings) ie like utter crap, and due to kids I can't get her out of my life so I have to get used to upsetting her and saying no, having tried to please for years. And also just being straight-forward. So much of scapegoating is invisible to others. Whereas I wish I'd just said openly in the past stuff like 'you're all just talking about going for cocktails later in front of me, whilst not inviting me, I'm off' It's not asking anyone for anything, but it's putting it out there what is happening. Obv hard to do, think clearly in real time and sadly that never got said, so behaviour continued.

Anyway, that's my stuff. It sounds like you're really engaging with it, so your sister's days are numbered. All the best x

KreedKafer · 03/06/2024 13:43

ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 13:38

Thanks guys. I will definitely look into this triangle thing.

This is the type of info i was looking for, as means to have a happier future ...Not as a woe is me thing and im glad its been recievevd like that

Some great info here thank you

Honestly, it doesn’t come across as a ‘woe is me’ thing at all. You sound lovely and I really hope you do find a happier future.

KreedKafer · 03/06/2024 13:41

Your sister bullies you because your parents did and your adult daughter bullies you because she’s grown up watching the rest of your family bully you. (Is your husband your daughter’s dad? If he is, he needs to have a stern word with her. If he’s not, what was her dad like? Did he bully you as well?)

Basically, you are a nice person and your family are not. You are the better person here. I would be inclined to tell the whole lot of them to piss off.

ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 13:38

Thanks guys. I will definitely look into this triangle thing.

This is the type of info i was looking for, as means to have a happier future ...Not as a woe is me thing and im glad its been recievevd like that

Some great info here thank you

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LegionOfCats · 03/06/2024 13:13

It's good that your husband is aware and had got your back. In these family dynamics, it's so important that you present a United front - together you're stronger.

Thelnebriati · 03/06/2024 13:10

Look for I'm OK, You're OK by Thomas Harris, and Games People Play by Eric Berne. They explain the drama triangle in plain English.
Insecure people only feel comfortable when they are in a pair, with a third person to take the blame or act as scapegoat. There are 3 positions; the Victim, the Persecutor, and the Rescuer. As long as everyone plays their role, there's no end to it.

ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 12:57

Baaliali · 03/06/2024 12:22

Scapegoat here too. It is about how you make them feel. I was a lot like my father, my mother hated that about me, she idolises my father, go figure? But I suspect my father was a lot like my grandfather and it was that relationship that was never resolved. It was me triggering the negative emotions about her own father that was the issue. My sister has married a man very similar to our father too. My brother is very like our mother - narcissistic traits and likely that dynamic will impact his own children, their mother is very enabling. My eldest brother is like my father - abusive/emotionally dysregulated/cold/dysfunctional.

There is this complex interplay of not being able to resolve issues with a person so they punch down towards the scapegoat. Likely you passed the dysfunction onto your daughter though. That is very common unless you realise this when your children are young.

There is a really good book called the Karpman drama triangle likely you are putting yourself in the victim role based on your upbringing. Best to become aware of the dynamics and learn how to pull yourself out of the dynamic completely. I would step out of your family of origin and try to focus on your own stuff.

Oh you make some fantastic and intresting points - i shall look in to this

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ToadofTOADhall9 · 03/06/2024 12:56

WonderfulUsername · 03/06/2024 12:12

I was shaking my head at your 'D'H just walking out of the room after she said that to him.

But this makes it much worse....

What about me makes me the family punch bag? I stutter when I talk and i do not come back with witty one liners to their constant barage of put downs so im thinking it may be that, like im an easy target

Does he never/has he never stood up for you? He really walked out without saying a word to her??

Oh yes of course he has - he threw her out on one (separate) occasion, but the above- this was one example, that didn't escalate to anyone losing their shit. I think he kept reserved on this occasion as it was our anniversary and he wanted to keep things calm

And to be fair, the situation has been going on long before i met hubby

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