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Wrong to exclude my SEN child ?

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Maria1979 · 02/06/2024 17:29

I've got a son who's 14 y old on the autism spectrum + very immature. He loves to play w younger children but needs to be told off sometimes to be careful: he's not trying to intentionally hurt someone but fooling around on the beach w younger children two of my friend's younger children (who are my younger son's friends) later on told my friend's husband that he had been rough. Now he has told my friend that my soon can't be around them anymore and she obeys. The thing is this is my BF and we see each other a lot w our children. My son has promised to never play wildly again (this was at a beach outing), nobody got really hurt but I do realise that we should have played closer attention w DH but since noone went in to the water and they were running around on the beach we "relaxed" and talked w the adults.
I'm torn between understanding her husband for wanting to protect his children (he wasn't present) and btw feeling his reaction is exaggerated. Couldnt he just say that if DS is to be present we all need to pay closer attention since he's "bigger" but not more mature than the other children present ? I'm hurt that my friend just choose to go on her husband's line cause I don't think she realises that this will mean the end of us getting together. My older son is highly dependant on me and does not have a social life on his own so I have to bring him everywhere. He's 14, my younger 10 and her children are 7 and 10...

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Roundroundthegarden · 02/06/2024 21:43

Op I do feel for you because it seems like you just let your guard down once and it happened. Maybe it's best the friendship moves on because you can't really come back from this. Unfortunately it just comes down to a 14yo pushing a 7yo and under any circumstances that just isn't acceptable. The parents and the children may have just felt that was twice too many.

user8889932902 · 02/06/2024 21:41

To people who judge my lapse of attention this particular evening (ofcourse I SHOULD have watched him, he is my responsability and I selfishly enjoyed myself for once but; walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me (too severely).

No, he is both yours AND your husband's responsibility. Why doesn't your husband ever take over to give you a break?- what was he doing whilst all this was going on- if your husband is now so upset about this incident then why didnt he supervise your son a bit more closely to give you a break?

Maria1979 · 02/06/2024 21:35

duchessofsilk · 02/06/2024 20:48

This, I'm sorry OP but you are completely contradicting yourself here. First you say its never happened before but in your OP you said he has done it before and needs to be told off when it happens. Also, you say you can never meet your friend child free, and yet your husband went to the beach with you, so surely he must have some time off to look after your son whilst you pop out for a coffee with your friend?

He has not pushed anyone in the sand before.. and he has not hurt anyone before. Usually we go out walking outside or swim in the ocean or play board games. I always watch out for him not to get too excited. I let down my guard for one evening and this is the result. Ofcourse he was told off after the first child came crying and they started to build sand castles again. But 10 minutes later they were running around and there you go. Other children came crying as well for different reasons, one had said this and one kicked another and someone stole the shovel and another threw sand, nothing to do w mine.

The other children wanted to keep playing w him so there were no hard feelings. And my friend thought her children were being precious and told them to stop whining and we told off our son and I thought that was it. But, hey ho. My husband is quite upset about it all and tells me to just drop the friendship. I guess I will cause there is next to nothing in place for SEN children where I live so he's w me basically all the time. To people who judge my lapse of attention this particular evening (ofcourse I SHOULD have watched him, he is my responsability and I selfishly enjoyed myself for once but; walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me (too severely).

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KomodoOhno · 02/06/2024 21:31

TheKeatingFive · 02/06/2024 17:38

If the children felt he had been rough with them, it's understandable if they don't want to play with him again. That's the bottom line I'm afraid.

Sadly this. As much as you'd like your son to be included most parents will step in and not allow their children around rough play. While no one was hurt honestly better to stop it before someone does get hurt. Your son is getting older I'd nip playing with younger children now. It opens him up to accusations as well as other children being hurt.

Scattery · 02/06/2024 21:29

OhHelloMiss · 02/06/2024 21:19

@Scattery what are your thoughts on both parents being present and 2 kids getting hurt?

Got to say the style of play should have been nipped in the bud. I've always watched my son super closely when he's been in a mixed-age dynamic, not just because he's a tall kid, but for his own protection because I've seen NT kids go for him and then try to blame him afterward.

That being said, I know the struggle when you're with an old friend, the kids are playing, and you just want to catch up without breaking off conversation. IMO I would have set my son to a different (still fun) task to cool the dynamic down.

user8889932902 · 02/06/2024 21:24

Considering that you bear the brunt of all the childcare, why on earth didnt your husband step up a bit and supervise your son to give you a bit of a break and a chance to relax?

What the heck was he doing all the time at the beach and why cant he watch your son for an hour or two whilst you go and meet your friend on your own? you say he travels for work but he must have some time off if you all went to the beach. He sounds lazy and checked out to me.

It's his son too.

T1Dmama · 02/06/2024 21:24

Also @Maria1979 how did you respond? Have you apologised?

mitogoshi · 02/06/2024 21:20

Do someone did get hurt? Only getting slightly hurt doesn't matter. You know he's not capable of managing his behaviour so sorry it's your responsibility to either constantly monitor in these situations or keep him with the adults. It's tough but younger kids need to be protected

OhHelloMiss · 02/06/2024 21:19

@Scattery what are your thoughts on both parents being present and 2 kids getting hurt?

Scattery · 02/06/2024 21:17

I'm sorry, OP. I have an autistic DS a bit older than your DS, and all exclusion hurts. I think your friend went over the top saying your DS can't be around her kids anymore. A lot of the time, I can tell how a NT kid has been parented by the way they act toward my son. There's always a proportion of really intolerant NTs who are quick to judge any of his differences.

Despite my son being incredibly smart and generally low support needs I had to explicitly teach him how to sort of pull his punches. It took years of hands-on work but he knows his own strength now and I'm happy I did it because he is over 6 foot now and is much more aware of his own limitations/abilities.

That being said, I would be really leery about letting him play tag with younger kids for a prolonged period of time. I find that the autistic kid almost always gets the lion's share of the blame when shit hits the fan.

Roundroundthegarden · 02/06/2024 21:12

Op if your friend is so blunt and outspoken then surely she would have set her husband straight about it? Sounds like she too agrees with him or the kids have said they don't want to be around him and she rather blame the dh than her kids.

LolaLima · 02/06/2024 21:12

I think you're also minimising the falling in tag. Yes, children fall in tag, you're quite right. But it would be unusual to fall face forward and get a mouth full of sand. That sounds to me like they were shoved pretty hard from behind

Yes, that does sound much more like being shoved than simply falling over. It would be quite difficult to accidentally fall over twice and both times get sand shoved in your mouth surely? That sounds like they're being pushed over from behind and face planting forwards. Dont forget that a teenage boy aged 14 is going to be double the size and strength of a 7 year old. I'm female and I was 5'10" at age 14/15. If I had shoved a 7 year old at that age I would have sent them flying

T1Dmama · 02/06/2024 21:08

Why can’t you and friend meet
up and leave kids home with their dads? Both dads were after all off work!
Or why can’t just your son be left with his Dad? Allowing the other 3 to play. Your DH could take the 14 year
old out for some 1:1 time

TomeTome · 02/06/2024 21:05

Now he has told my friend that my soon can't be around them anymore and she obeys.
it sucks but there’s nothing you can do about it.

MargaretThursday · 02/06/2024 21:05

I've got 3 dc and sometimes it's great taking all three, and other times it doesn't work. One of the times it often didn't work was when the other dc were dd2/ds' age and dd1 was by far the oldest, but there were any tiny ones for her to look after.
Because adding a 13yo to a group of 10 and 7yos (my dc's ages) changes the dynamic.

I'll also say that there have been times when dd1 (my most timid one) has been scared by behaviour of an older child, that has just been them playing, but scary for a younger child. There was a time when I had to pull back from a friendship because although dd1 loved playing with the dc who was about a year older than her, the older one who was about 3 years older was just wanting to play games that she found too rough.

I think you're also minimising the falling in tag. Yes, children fall in tag, you're quite right. But it would be unusual to fall face forward and get a mouth full of sand. That sounds to me like they were shoved pretty hard from behind.

I'd also note that in your Op you say:
Couldnt he just say that if DS is to be present we all need to pay closer attention since he's "bigger"
If you said that to me, I'd be thinking: "no YOU need to be paying closer attention."
At 7 and 10yo they're at the stage you're beginning to relax while they play, they don't want to be taking responsibility for another child - in the same way if they met up with friends with a toddler, they'd expect the toddler parent generally to be doing the supervision, not saying to them "we need to watch them more carefully".

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 02/06/2024 20:58

So there was 2 incidents that made children cry ?

in all fairness that was 1 too many, and after the 1st incident - if there were 2 incidents, then you should have dealt with it either by actually watching your son instead of chatting or asking your son to sit with you for a while

Crazycrazylady · 02/06/2024 20:57

I think a wider issue here might be that the age gap is a bit wide. My youngest is friendly with a much older autistic boy who lives locally. It's been nice to see all along . but now he is 14 and my son is 9, it's just getting a bit inappropriate as the conversation has recently changed as the other boys is maturing and hitting puberty. I have to say I'm getting uncomfortable with the friendship and have pulled back a bit . The rough play was just one element of the whole thing for me.

caringcarer · 02/06/2024 20:50

Why can't your DH watch your son sometimes so you can meet your friend alone for an hour or 2?

OhmygodDont · 02/06/2024 20:50

sunflowerdaisyrose · 02/06/2024 20:47

Wow you must wrap your kids in cotton wool and never allow them to play anything physical! Yes it's ok for my children and others to occasionally get hurt in the course of playing/doing sport/existing. What happened before, the incident itself, the motivation and level of injury of course all make up the whole picture of whether it's acceptable or not.

No but ops kid is known to have to be told
to be more careful. His clearly regularly too heavy handed/doesn’t know his own strength.

sunflowerdaisyrose · 02/06/2024 20:50

My last comment was for @DoreenonTill8

duchessofsilk · 02/06/2024 20:48

Theredoubtableskins · 02/06/2024 19:46

Sorry… now you’re saying it has never happened before? He isn’t known for getting too rough? That’s not what you said to start with.

Either this is a known issue which has happened before when he plays with younger kids or it’s never happened before and your friend is cutting the kids off after this one incident. So, which is it? Because you’re saying you always have to follow him around and watch for this which makes it an ongoing issue. But you’re actively saying that you had no idea he was doing this…

This, I'm sorry OP but you are completely contradicting yourself here. First you say its never happened before but in your OP you said he has done it before and needs to be told off when it happens. Also, you say you can never meet your friend child free, and yet your husband went to the beach with you, so surely he must have some time off to look after your son whilst you pop out for a coffee with your friend?

sunflowerdaisyrose · 02/06/2024 20:47

Wow you must wrap your kids in cotton wool and never allow them to play anything physical! Yes it's ok for my children and others to occasionally get hurt in the course of playing/doing sport/existing. What happened before, the incident itself, the motivation and level of injury of course all make up the whole picture of whether it's acceptable or not.

Overthebow · 02/06/2024 20:37

Sounds like he doesn’t know his own strength and size. He shouldn’t be playing tag with children half his age if he can’t play gently with them.

TheKeatingFive · 02/06/2024 20:32

The kids were crying, so you need to take that on board. It wasn't a nice experience for them, playing with your son - they don't want to do it again and they are not unreasonable for that.

howaboutchocolate · 02/06/2024 20:21

DoreenonTill8 · 02/06/2024 20:17

@howaboutchocolate what did you say to her? "For goodness sake! How can you be upset, its not like he meant it?"

No, I comforted her obviously. But that doesn't mean she shouldn't carry on playing or that falling over isn't sometimes a normal part of running around in a game on the beach. Sand isn't the most stable of surfaces, is it.

If I wasn't allowed to play with anyone who accidentally knocked me over as a child then I would have had no friends left! Partly I was a clumsy child and fell over at the slightest touch, partly it's just how children sometimes play, they get over enthusiastic or don't watch their step. It's not like OPs kid was going around deliberately holding their faces down into the sand maliciously.