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fruitgummy · 02/06/2024 19:27

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CatPancake · 02/06/2024 19:27

spuddy4 · 02/06/2024 19:23

If you can't read Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrat's, Green Party etc on the ballot paper you shouldn't be voting. It's not difficult to put a cross in the correct box on the day, the party logo is even on the ballot paper for everyone to clearly see.

a lot of people find it very difficult and there’s no IQ test to pass before people can vote.

surely we don’t want a race to the bottom campaign where people see what they can legally get away with and how many they can hoodwink?

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spuddy4 · 02/06/2024 19:23

If you can't read Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrat's, Green Party etc on the ballot paper you shouldn't be voting. It's not difficult to put a cross in the correct box on the day, the party logo is even on the ballot paper for everyone to clearly see.

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CatPancake · 02/06/2024 19:17

Mabelface · 02/06/2024 14:10

I'll be so glad to see him go. He's an awful man who took credit for the successes of the labour MP before him, who really did fantastic work. If he doesn't like what you say or ask him on his FB page, you get blocked. I'm not talking about abusive posts, just general ones expressing dissatisfaction or calling him out.

It's not the first time he's been called out on his behaviour. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66742672

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This is really interesting as he got into trouble before, an apologised but NOT for being misleading. He apologised because the name of the paper he released was the same as a previous local paper.

he is utterly shameless

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RoobarbAndMustard · 02/06/2024 16:35

I hope Largan is barred from standing as a candidate. He's a dishonest cheat at best.

Corinthiana · 02/06/2024 15:22

Yes, Grumpy that's election rather than electoral fraud.

Ohhownaice · 02/06/2024 14:52

Mabelface · 02/06/2024 14:10

I'll be so glad to see him go. He's an awful man who took credit for the successes of the labour MP before him, who really did fantastic work. If he doesn't like what you say or ask him on his FB page, you get blocked. I'm not talking about abusive posts, just general ones expressing dissatisfaction or calling him out.

It's not the first time he's been called out on his behaviour. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66742672

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Oh, our local Tory did a very very similar thing during the recent council elections; it only mentioned the Tory party in very small print, and it was the consistent "Labour fucked this up" about stuff that I knew was Conservative caused that made me look for it.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 02/06/2024 14:49

Attempting to gain votes through deception? Sounds like electoral fraud to me.

mitogoshi · 02/06/2024 14:46

It's an asa matter

DragonGypsyDoris · 02/06/2024 14:37

CatPancake · 02/06/2024 12:26

I’m outing myself here… but my local MP candidate has released new election graphics….

would you be shocked if I told you he’s not a member of the Labour Party!!!

Have a guess which Party he is campaigning on behalf of please 🙏🏻

You don't know what outing yourself is either. The average UK constituency size is around 60,000 people. I haven't quite narrowed it down to be able to identify you, not that I can be bothered.

Wonkypictureframe · 02/06/2024 14:35

IridescentShadow · 02/06/2024 14:24

Imprints from all Parties appear in very small print on publications.

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Of course. It’s a dull legal necessity. When you‘ve chosen to produce campaign material that looks so much like your opponent’s that the imprint is the only way to discover what party you belong to though, it does matter rather more to the reader though.

GrumpyPanda · 02/06/2024 14:32

Corinthiana · 02/06/2024 12:30

That's not what electoral fraud is.

No idea about the precise definition in UK law, but elsewhere there have certainly been people convicted for election fraud based on disinformation campaigns.

IridescentShadow · 02/06/2024 14:28

CatPancake · 02/06/2024 14:26

I’ve previously helped a political party when campaigning 20 years ago, and I was genuinely shook at people’s lack of understanding about voting, politics etc.

its hard to imagine - but there are a lot of people out there with very limited knowledge

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/8317

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I am being slightly flippant, but I do find people's ignorance a challenge to my fundamental belief in universal suffrage.

IridescentShadow · 02/06/2024 14:27

Startingagainandagain · 02/06/2024 13:07

I saw on Twitter this morning that this has been reported to the police and the Electoral Commission.

I know some Tories at the local elections had been removing mentions of the Conservative party/logo and also using over colours, green for example, instead of Tory blue for their flyers to distance themselves from Central Office, but this is taking things to a new level!

Completely fraudulent as it looks like a Labour Party flyer and can only have been done on purpose to trick voters into thinking he is a Labour candidate.

They really are desperate...

But, a Party isn't limited to any one colour or style or logo. It is the imprint which is legally important and makes clear who has produced the literature.

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CatPancake · 02/06/2024 14:26

rwalker · 02/06/2024 14:19

Tbh it really does prove how little effort and research people put into voting

blatantly misleading

I’ve previously helped a political party when campaigning 20 years ago, and I was genuinely shook at people’s lack of understanding about voting, politics etc.

its hard to imagine - but there are a lot of people out there with very limited knowledge

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/8317

Almost two thirds of people unable to name the current Prime Minister

Increasing number of people in Britain unable to answer basic questions on politics and the election

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/8317

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IridescentShadow · 02/06/2024 14:25

Flickersy · 02/06/2024 13:34

Well yes, that too, but I think that goes without saying! Only the Tories...

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Again, not "only the Tories": each and every Party has people who pull stunts like this.

IridescentShadow · 02/06/2024 14:24

Wonkypictureframe · 02/06/2024 12:43

He is not breaking the law in that he includes the legal wording on the paper that says it’s printed by the Conservative Party. It’s just printed extremely small. It’s a great loophole to exploit and it’s certainly poor practice.

Imprints from all Parties appear in very small print on publications.

rwalker · 02/06/2024 14:19

Tbh it really does prove how little effort and research people put into voting

blatantly misleading

Mabelface · 02/06/2024 14:10

I'll be so glad to see him go. He's an awful man who took credit for the successes of the labour MP before him, who really did fantastic work. If he doesn't like what you say or ask him on his FB page, you get blocked. I'm not talking about abusive posts, just general ones expressing dissatisfaction or calling him out.

It's not the first time he's been called out on his behaviour. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66742672

Derbyshire MP Robert Largan accused of 'fake' newspaper con

The MP's newsletter has the same name as an independent paper that went out of circulation in 1998.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66742672

Flickersy · 02/06/2024 13:35

KreedKafer · 02/06/2024 12:45

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1eewd5xgjgo.amp

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"Investigating claims of" does not equal "is guilty of".

It's bloody stupid, it's deceptive, and it's highly misleading, but it is not electoral fraud.

Flickersy · 02/06/2024 13:34

AnotherexhaustedSENmum · 02/06/2024 12:33

And a really stupid idea 😂

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Well yes, that too, but I think that goes without saying! Only the Tories...

Clavinova · 02/06/2024 13:25

David Lammy was fined £5,000 for 'nuisance calls' when he ran for London Mayor;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-lammy-fined-ps5-000-over-35-000-nuisance-calls-urging-people-to-vote-for-him-a6922576.html

David Lammy fined over 35,000 nuisance calls urging people to vote for him

The Labour MP made the calls over two days

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-lammy-fined-ps5-000-over-35-000-nuisance-calls-urging-people-to-vote-for-him-a6922576.html

ilovevinyl · 02/06/2024 13:22

Yeah he's my mp too and Derbyshire police has opened an investigation

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 02/06/2024 13:22

Just proves that the Tories are now unelectable and they know it.

Wonkypictureframe · 02/06/2024 13:19

Certainly the Tory mayoral candidate in my area produced quite red campaign leaflets (didn’t actually use the word Labour in the way this chancer has though), barely said the word Conservative, and only included the legal wording in the smallest print. Labour by contrast went full Union Jack so ironically you could have taken them for Tory campaign literature.