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To feel like my child free friends want me to dislike having a child?

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doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 00:57

Growing up, I observed that amongst my parents generation, there was a lot of jokes about husbands and wives disliking each other. This is often referred to as "boomer humour".

"The old ball and chain."

Jokes about his bald head and her fat bum.

It was all over birthday cards. It was all over tv and was generally part of every day conversation. Not to say that everyone actually felt that way but it felt like it was expected that they'd talk about each other that way.

I feel like my generation's (I'm in my 30s) equivalent to that is people joking about not liking their children. Parents often "jokingly" warn you "don't have kids". They do a sort of (either faux or real) jealousy when they hear about child free people going out to drinks as they have to be at home with a child. They constantly talk about needing wine to cope.

People without children often refer to children as smelly or gross or openly talk about how they could never cope with not having freedom.

I was child free for many years and I think it's great for people to be able to choose not to have children. I definitely don't think everyone should and it's obviously not the right thing for everyone. I believe people can be perfectly happy without children.

However I feel like a lot of people now seem to pity me for having a child and not being able to stay out late or make impromptu plans or "do whatever I want". Generally they talk about parenthood as being completely negative.

I confess that I felt this way before I had children. I definitely felt sorry for parents - thought they always looked stressed. Their lives didn't sound as fun. I thought mine seemed more fun - getting up when I want, not having responsibilities, being able to just think of myself.

The difference is that I didn't actually say this out loud to people with children!! As I knew it would be offensive to speak about their actual child who they loved as this horrible negative thing.

I've completely changed since having a child. I know that a lot of people will think it's for the worst but to me it feels like life is so much better now. Having a child is obviously hard sometimes but I love having him and I feel this complete and utter contentment and inner peace that I've craved my whole life. I have never been so at peace and happy ever before. I absolutely love being a mum and if I could go back in time I'd do it sooner and start sorting my life and finances out sooner so I could have had more.

I don't expect people to love or care about my child but I feel increasingly like having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them. Sometimes they insist they love them as much as a parent loves their child (not in a joking 'fur baby' way either)

Any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject or worst I am told how they don't like children and sometimes they're called things like "crotch goblins". This is not in a loving jokey way.

Again I know nobody else owes me anything and has no reason to be interested in my child. I just feel it's weird that I'm expected to constantly talk about and look at pictures of dogs but if when giving an update about what's been happening with me I mention that my child learned to walk or talk or cartwheel, its boring and not an acceptable conversation.

When people find out I have a child they seem to feel sorry for me and want to brag about how they don't have one and their life is so easy.

I've tried making friends with mums at groups but I don't seem to have a lot in common with ones I've met and now I am back to working full time it is harder. A lot of people I meet through work, my interests etc tend to be childfree for whatever reason.

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EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 02/06/2024 09:58

I’ll ask friends / relations / close work colleagues how their kids are, and be interested in the answers. And when someone I know is having a baby I’ll crochet them a blanket. But that’s all because I care about the adults & this is something that’s very important to them.

When I ask about their cats & / or dogs, it’s because I’m interested in the animals.

I don’t know if that shows but it’s the best I can do.

TheaBrandt · 02/06/2024 09:36

Absolutely Ace. If someone is a friend you do them the courtesy of caring about what’s important to them. Am I massively interested in one friends estrangement from her sister? No but I care about her and will talk about it at length not say something like “well my sisters are great and we get on brilliantly” and change the subject.

CannotWaitToBeFree · 02/06/2024 09:36

You need to find some new friends op.

whiteroseredrose · 02/06/2024 09:35

I think it's time to move on from these friends.

Occasionally we meet someone who will be a friend for life but a lot of friends are 'friends for now' or for a particular time in your life.

You had a lot in common with these friends previously, but now you have moved on. It's time to focus on finding people you have things in common with now.

Potential mum friends might not necessarily be your soul mates (though my long term friends are the ones I met at the school gate) but you may have things in common with them now that you don't with your old friends.

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 09:35

ChillysWaterBottle · 02/06/2024 09:34

It is not entitled to expect your friends to care about your child.

Apparently if you do you’re ‘vile’ 🤣🤣

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 09:35

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Vile because I expect my friend to give a shit about my kids? Or vile because I don’t love dogs? Or vile because I said cunt?

I hope you don’t have kids TBH, if you teach them it’s fine that people important to you don’t care about them

ChillysWaterBottle · 02/06/2024 09:34

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:01

you really are being entitled to expect people to care about your child.

It is not entitled to expect your friends to care about your child.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:34

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:28

Used to know someone who’d been so badly bullied as a child that even as an adult being in the presence of children could be triggering.

That poor person!

Mynaddmawr · 02/06/2024 09:33

My child free friends aren't very interested in the finer details of my babies development, but they muster a bit of excitement for the big stuff. Yours sound a bit selfish. Hopefully you will make some more mum friends soon, I'm sure it will get easier when LO starts school. Or are there any mum/toddler activities you could both attend? Also I cant get worked up about people who think they love their pets like children- I must confess i thought I loved my cats like children until actually having one!

Ace56 · 02/06/2024 09:32

CerealPonderer · 02/06/2024 07:54

I genuinely wouldn't know what to say if someone told me that

Really? You'd have no idea what to say if someone told you their child had learned to walk? No clue at all of something appropriate to respond with? It doesn't sound like you suffer with communication difficulties in general as you can talk for hours about other subjects so why, specifically, does one innane comment about a child throw you to the point of being speechless?

People often make comments or tell me things I have zero actual interest in. People in work or clients, talking about their new extension or their pets, that they're going to be a grandparent or about their visit to Germany last month or the bargain they found on their new shoes. But I'm not a rude, dismissive prick so rather than sneer I say...

Oh how lovely.
Oh that's beautiful, such a lucky find!
Wow, sounds fantastic.
Congratulations, you must be so excited.

It's really, really not difficult or unusual at all and happens to most people often.

However this post pretty clearly proves the op's point. Some people will go to absolute lengths to try and make a point about how below their notice children are. It's odd and I suspect is usually a mask for other things.

Exactly this. It’s nothing to do with whether they like children or not, it’s the rudeness that would irritate me.

Even if you’re not interested in a particular topic, it’s just common courtesy to nod along and make the right noises and it’s not fucking difficult. If your friend was CONSTANTLY banging on about a topic you don’t care about then yes, that would be annoying, but it doesn’t sound like OP is constantly talking about her child. The friends are just rude imo.

roseinthedark · 02/06/2024 09:29

I really resonate with what you’ve written. I got married two years after uni and started having my kids at age 24. The horror we were met with when we told our uni friends our intentions was palpable and most are still living in trendy areas of London, enjoying that free, working lifestyle. But like you, I love the choice we have made, we have three now. The children have motivated my husband (who is incredible, loving, and made to be a father) to earn an incredible salary that has afforded us a great lifestyle where I can stay with the kids. I feel greatly sorry for my friends who are waiting until their mid 30s to start having them, but as you say, I would never say it to them. I’m sure they feel sorry for me too!

However, I have had school acquaintances who have bluntly said to me, in response to posting my baby bump on Instagram, “why would you have kids and ruin your body?” A very letchy and sexually motivated person during school who I swiftly removed. I really wanted to say to this person, “why would you ruin your body with too much takeaway and what will you bring about your moobs?” But again, I wouldn’t say it!

A slightly closer acquaintance to me posted a meme after we announced the birth of our first child, suggesting that pursuing a PHD was of greater importance than popping out kids you can’t provide for. However this person was not pursuing a PHD, and now has her own son. From what I know of her and what she thinks of me, I suspect she was quite disgusted by my young age.

One thing I would never say to another mother or father (except semi anonymously here) is that I’m glad that when our kids are older, we can say to them that there was nothing we wanted more than we wanted them. No holiday or no fun experience was better for us than having children.

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:28

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:19

Saying someone hates younger themselves is quite a stretch. I wouldn't want to socialise with toddler or preteen me, and most certainly not with any of the kids at my schools. People here are talking like it's a crime to simply have no interest in children and want to stay away from them.

Used to know someone who’d been so badly bullied as a child that even as an adult being in the presence of children could be triggering.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:25

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 02/06/2024 09:19

People could say the exact same about elderly people.

I'm not telling you that you have to like children, what I'm saying is that sweeping generalisations about any group of people is wrong. It seems especially wrong when people try to defend those sweeping generalisations, and then even more wrong when the group having those generalisations made against them is vulnerable.

None of this has any effect on children or the elderly - it's women saying we don't want to be around children. (For that matter, I don't want to be around elderly dementia patients, either. I've had enough of that.)

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:25

Solpa · 02/06/2024 09:21

I am older, 66. Never wanted children until I did at 38. I don't remember anything similar except that people teased me about not wanting children.
My parents generation were born in the 1930s and parenthood wasn't always a choice. There was no pill, no abortion and no fertility treatment. So anyone of their generation who didn't have children it was usually not by choice. Adoption was easier though, some of my parents friends adopted in their 20s and again a couple of years later.
I know a few elderly ladies in their 80s who were never able to have children and obviously they had different lives but always wistful about what they missed.

Yes adoption was easier because unmarried mothers had their babies forcibly taken away from them.

Ksqordssvimy · 02/06/2024 09:23

But honestly...

I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYONE CALL ANYONE'S CHILD A CROTCH GOBLIN.

Solpa · 02/06/2024 09:21

I am older, 66. Never wanted children until I did at 38. I don't remember anything similar except that people teased me about not wanting children.
My parents generation were born in the 1930s and parenthood wasn't always a choice. There was no pill, no abortion and no fertility treatment. So anyone of their generation who didn't have children it was usually not by choice. Adoption was easier though, some of my parents friends adopted in their 20s and again a couple of years later.
I know a few elderly ladies in their 80s who were never able to have children and obviously they had different lives but always wistful about what they missed.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 02/06/2024 09:19

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 08:54

They ARE homogenous. They cry. They suck attention. Hit when they're frustrated. Being around them is really unpleasant for some people. I'm fascinated by what makes us different - what is it like in the head of someone not stressed and distressed by them? But I absolutely believe that some people love them (yes, as a homogenous group) so why can't they extend the same courtesy of empathetic imagining??

People could say the exact same about elderly people.

I'm not telling you that you have to like children, what I'm saying is that sweeping generalisations about any group of people is wrong. It seems especially wrong when people try to defend those sweeping generalisations, and then even more wrong when the group having those generalisations made against them is vulnerable.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:19

TheaBrandt · 02/06/2024 09:12

Also all these child haters were themselves once children and must have memories of that? So they hate themselves at a different life stage? Sorry but it’s very weird.

Saying someone hates younger themselves is quite a stretch. I wouldn't want to socialise with toddler or preteen me, and most certainly not with any of the kids at my schools. People here are talking like it's a crime to simply have no interest in children and want to stay away from them.

Ace56 · 02/06/2024 09:14

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:00

Whats wrong with people who think they love their dog like/more than a parent loves their child?

It's their opinion, who are you to quantify their love and why do you want to dismiss it?

I find your attitude dismissive of people and what and who they choose to love. You expect yourself and your children to be celebrated. MAybe your friends just dont like your children and they like everyone else's dogs more. I dont blame them.

Wow, what a nasty post. This is really what you took away from the OP? She doesn’t expect her child to be celebrated, she expects her friends to accept them and show at least the same amount of interest as they do to each other’s dogs. It’s not a big ask.

And of course carrying a baby inside you, birthing it and then raising it for 18 years is not the same as having a dog. Ffs.

TheaBrandt · 02/06/2024 09:12

Also all these child haters were themselves once children and must have memories of that? So they hate themselves at a different life stage? Sorry but it’s very weird.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:11

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 09:05

I don't think anyone is likely to turn a blind eye to a crime but it is fair to say I don't experience the viral visceral fury that many feel when they learn of a crime against a child. All crime is bad.

When I was a child I didn't like children either so "you were a child once" makes no sense to me.

Didn't take long for the "you don't care about child abuse" nonsense to appear, did it?

TootGoesTheOwl · 02/06/2024 09:10

LakeTiticaca · 02/06/2024 09:03

Yes of course humans are more important but why can't someone have an overwhelming love for their dog or cat. Who has the right to judge them. The animals may be their only companions. To be fair I've met plenty of people who I would put animals way above !!

I don't think anyone has said people can't have an overwhelming love for their dog/cat/hamster but comparing it to the love a parent feels for their child is a bit ridiculous quite honestly.
As I said before, how does the child free person know they are feeling the same love for their pet as they would for a child? It is absolutely impossible to know as they have never had their own children!
There was a news segment on a few weeks ago about introducing 'pet'ernity leave as this generation feels hard done by because their mother's had time off work to have them and they feel they are missing out....words failed me on that one.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 09:06

PearlKoala · 02/06/2024 08:59

Is it OK to dislike old people, yes all old people and to normalise that dislike within society? So long as you just ignore old people and don't make them feel bad for being old of course. But would it be OK for me and a group of friends to sit down call them disparaging names, talk about how much they smell, how we hate how they move or the noises they make or how they inconvenience our lives so long as they never know about it?

I guess if you want to?

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 09:05

AstralSpace · 02/06/2024 08:58

@PearlKoala this is a really good point. All those people who hate children, would they turn a blind eye to abuse of a child?

The hatred for children is such an immature attitude. There's nothing wrong with deciding not to have children or thinking someone's a bore because all they talk about is their child, but to openly hate children shows immaturity and an intolerant nature in itself.
Almost as if they'd never been a vulnerable child themselves.

I don't think anyone is likely to turn a blind eye to a crime but it is fair to say I don't experience the viral visceral fury that many feel when they learn of a crime against a child. All crime is bad.

When I was a child I didn't like children either so "you were a child once" makes no sense to me.

MrsDTucker · 02/06/2024 09:04

@HoHoHoliday

Your post title suggests you want a thread to bash childfree people which is pretty crappy of you.

Presumably you don't need pointing to the childfree board.