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WWYD- 2 very different children

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Member786488 · 01/06/2024 21:42

One very academic, studying at Cambridge, slightly autistic to the point where they struggle to find work in the holidays and rely on us financially despite our attempts to get them to get a job and fund holidays. Live on student loans the rest of the year.

the other is leaving school after A levels and will be working in a cafe or as a housemaid to make money. no desire whatsoever to go to uni. They have had a part time job since they were 12. Will live at home because they realise how expensive moving out and living independently can be.

the second child resents the financial support they see their sibling getting but don’t necessarily understand how difficult it it for their sibling to just ‘get a job.’

if we don’t support the older child they don’t eat.

any ideas?

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sashh · 03/06/2024 07:45

letsgoglamping · 02/06/2024 10:18

He likes them but it isn’t just the farting etc. His timekeeping is appalling and so is his attendance due to a bit of hypochondria (he rang 111 when he was here over Christmas because he’d been ‘violently sick’ then ate a load of Christmas cake!)

That's a shame.

Although some animals do insist you do certain things at a certain time.

Bushmillsbabe · 02/06/2024 23:08

Member786488 · 02/06/2024 19:57

@Bushmillsbabe he went travelling with his money.

out of interest, what have I said that implies I’m more focused on my eldest?

If he was able to go travelling independently, he must have good budgeting, planning, organisation skills, and an ability to communicate with others.
You also mentioned that funding traveling will give him an ability to form connections outside the town you live in? Did he form any connections on the travelling he did at 18? Can these be developed?

My feeling is that you might be better using these funds to get him assessed privately, and supported to develop strategies to help manage his challenges.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 02/06/2024 20:33

Does the world really need yet more humanities graduates who simply want the uni experience with no real interest in a subject?
What incredibly useful degree is golden child dc1 doing then?
If they're not going to be able to work, why go to uni?

CassandraWebb · 02/06/2024 20:25

Member786488 · 02/06/2024 19:57

@Bushmillsbabe he went travelling with his money.

out of interest, what have I said that implies I’m more focused on my eldest?

Tbh the mere fact you are willing to indulge him in not working and fund his travel while you contemplate charging your other child rent suggests theres some serious imbalance.

If he has the skills to travel then he has the skills to work.

As someone who works in a highly academic field it's so important to also do entry level type jobs during those late teens /university years.

Member786488 · 02/06/2024 19:57

@Bushmillsbabe he went travelling with his money.

out of interest, what have I said that implies I’m more focused on my eldest?

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Bushmillsbabe · 02/06/2024 18:08

Member786488 · 01/06/2024 22:28

@letsgoglamping i think they would both describe the other as the lucky one.

@GardenGnomeDefender because at the moment they’re at home and get pocket money, everything paid, food in the fridge etc.

@PricklyPearNoThornsPlease in the region of £100-200 and lots more over the holidays when their loans run out

@Bushmillsbabe they both received the same amount of cash at 18 and will do so again at 25 when it will be a significant amount, so always equal in that respect

fwiw it’s a shame my post seems to favour my older dc. In many ways it’s my youngest who I have the admiration for.

If you gave them a chunk of cash at 18, what has oldest child dome with that?

From my experience with an older sibling who sounds very similar to your oldest, keeping funding them is really unhelpful in the long term. My brother had terrible social and organisational skills, kept loosing jobs and my parents kept funding him. Until my Dad was made redundant and they couldn't afford to anymore. Then, after a few false starts, my brother now has a job at a gym, made some like minded friends and eventually got married. He was extremely bright, but just couldn't cope with the pressure of a job which in theory aligned with his academic skills. But he has held down not much more than minimum wage job for many years, and has never been happier.

People with mild additional needs have to rightly or wrongly find a way to function in a this world, and they are much better off if supported (pushed) into stretching themselves.

I strongly suspect I am also autistic, every test has shown me to be so, but I personally have found ways to adjust and make the world work for me, and your oldest child needs to do the same. My parents were so focused on my brother (as, I'm sorry to say you seem to be on your oldest) so I has to find my way. And that did me no harm.

LordSnot · 02/06/2024 15:03

Member786488 · 02/06/2024 08:33

@LordSnot you clearly don’t live in a British seaside town. There are any number of establishments that employ kids in the holidays, many family businesses.

@FluentRubyDog yiu have understood my position exactly, thank you.

Sure Jan

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 02/06/2024 13:24

I would position it that you see your obligation to support your kids until they finish education.
Fwiw, my daughters were similar, one off to uni, the other wasn't going.
In time things get evened out. And the offer to pay for higher education/professional exams remains for the youngest

PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 02/06/2024 12:34

NoTouch · 02/06/2024 12:31

Yes it is a cliche. I have worked in large IT departments for 35 years, I have never met anyone who farts, belches, sneezes all over people, talks loudly and in a monotone, hopeless with anything practical.

Maybe it’s more tolerated in smaller IT departments? Our current IT department aren’t anything like that (although I’d say social skills are still a bit of an issue for some), but the smaller companies I’ve worked in have definitely had people who lived up (down?) to that cliche.

CassandraWebb · 02/06/2024 12:32

CurlewKate · 02/06/2024 11:46

@mitogoshi " a good option if they are working full time is to collect 1/3 of their wages in "rent" but put into a savings account for the future for them."

Please don't do this-it's so patronising and infantilising.

I wish my parents had done this for me though

(But I am at least glad they helped me get a job rather than babying me and deciding I wasn't capable of a job just because I was probably autistic)

NoTouch · 02/06/2024 12:31

PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 02/06/2024 09:07

It’s a cliche, but you’ve just described 75% of the IT department at my old job.

Yes it is a cliche. I have worked in large IT departments for 35 years, I have never met anyone who farts, belches, sneezes all over people, talks loudly and in a monotone, hopeless with anything practical.

CassandraWebb · 02/06/2024 12:26

IamfeelingSad · 02/06/2024 11:25

I'm sorry but you are moddy coddling your eldest. You consider him 'slightly' autistic, but despite having the funds to pay for him during uni breaks including his travel to see friends - you have not paid for him to have an autism assessment. He has enough social skills to apparently travel during the uni breaks and stay with other people / meet people which is why you think its a worth while investment.....but his 'slightly' autistic self can not work to support himself.

This is utter bollocks and no wonder your daughter is upset. You are building a wedge between yourself and your daughter and herself and her sibling.

If you don't give your head a wobble your daughter will likely cut you off one day and for good reason.

Totally agree (and I was like the older child)!

PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 02/06/2024 12:23

It’s really only the “fun” money that it sounds like you need to even up following your last update. You’re supporting both of them with living costs - your oldest by giving them money, your youngest by allowing them to live with you rent-free.

Just make sure that you treat them the same with respect to discretionary spending, not paying £££ to send your oldest travelling while only putting £ away for your youngest.

TotalDramarama24 · 02/06/2024 12:16

Sorry cross posted with OP.

Readinstead · 02/06/2024 12:16

Presuming you pay towards your oldest child's uni and would have to do the same for the youngest if he/she had decided to go, why don't you save an equal amount for the youngest child, either to be given as a deposit later or to be used if they change their mind and want to go to university later. Discuss this with them.
The youngest should then pay you 'keep' from their wages during term time and have a respite from paying during the holidays same as the eldest or pay a lower weekly/monthly amount throughout the year to balance it out if they prefer.
If the older child comes back home after uni and doesn't get a job then it looks like you will have to support 2 kids in the interest of fairness!

TotalDramarama24 · 02/06/2024 12:15

If your oldest can do a degree at Cambridge then he can figure out how to finance his own life without playing his mother with an autism self ID and guilt trips.

I would be more worried about your youngest who has taken A levels and has no career aspirations whatsoever. Not wanting to do a degree is fine but surely there are apprenticeships or alternative training programmes she can look into?

Member786488 · 02/06/2024 12:12

Thank you for all the considered comments.

for clarification, dc2 has no desire to go to uni because there’s nothing they are interested enough in to warrant the costs in their opinion. Does the world really need yet more humanities graduates who simply want the uni experience with no real interest in a subject?
I have tried to encourage them to consider numerous options but they’re determined they want to work and probably travel.

that then will be an opportunity for us to fund. In fact they’re going away later this year with their dad to do some ‘proper’ travelling in Asia to see parts of the world they’d be (and we’d be) more nervous about them visiting with their peers as young people.

I think I will start to put some small amounts aside in preparation for this, or whatever they choose to do with it. I can see that despite my best intentions, charging them would probably be counter productive.

I’ve always tried to treat them both fairly, rather than equally. They both have their skill sets and are lovely young people. I’m very proud of them both and make sure they know it.

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anotherside · 02/06/2024 11:57

Also surely there are plenty of part jobs that aren’t in a hectic/people heavy environment that might suit a Cambridge undergraduate? How about 1-1 online tutoring for example? What’s sort of profession does he hope to have after graduating?

anotherside · 02/06/2024 11:53

I think you should support them equally as much as possible. IE you can give the elder one more support with day to day expenses if absolutely necessary but avoid funding holidays for one and not the other. You either have to give both money for fun or neither.

CurlewKate · 02/06/2024 11:46

@mitogoshi " a good option if they are working full time is to collect 1/3 of their wages in "rent" but put into a savings account for the future for them."

Please don't do this-it's so patronising and infantilising.

mitogoshi · 02/06/2024 11:34

Two things to think about, just because number two isn't going to university now, it doesn't mean they won't choose to go later, you could even remind them of that yourself, and secondly a good option if they are working full time is to collect 1/3 of their wages in "rent" but put into a savings account for the future for them. Once dc1 graduates they will need to either work or be formally diagnosed as unable to work and claim benefits

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 02/06/2024 11:33

XMissPlacedX · 02/06/2024 11:09

Treating them fairly means giving them the same opportunities, therefore I don't think it's wrong that you are financially supporting one whilst the other is able to support themselves. All children are different, I certainly don't parent mine all the same but we support them to be able to have similar opportunities.

Maybe speak with the youngest and explain this to them.

But op isn't giving them the same opportunities? The parents aren't funding several months long holidays abroad for dc2 are they?

IamfeelingSad · 02/06/2024 11:33

letsgoglamping · 02/06/2024 09:26

Thanks @Heronwatcher . It’s unlikely he would be able to work remotely. Eg with the phone he’d just walk off somewhere and not answer it or he’d lose connection and start swearing, those sorts of things. His sleep is very erratic and he has massive health problems which are related to his autism as he’ll claim ordinary headaches are migraines and a bit of a cold is the flu so his attendance is always an issue.

he does not have an autism diagnosis.
We have a lot of diagnoses autism in my family, and someone correct me if I am wrong....but I don't ever recall that lying such as saying a headache is a migraine is an autistic trait.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/06/2024 11:30

@Member786488 sorry, but rod for your own back comes to mind with dc1!! dc1 will also end up being entitled and expecting everything from you and that is just not fair on dc2!

IamfeelingSad · 02/06/2024 11:27

WhamBamThankU · 02/06/2024 10:36

Please don't go round telling people your child is autistic when they don't have a diagnosis. They can be really hard to come by and ticking some boxes on a random list you've found doesn't quite cut it.

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