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Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 16:21

I’m visiting Belfast today to see extended family. My dad’s family are from Ireland/n Ireland I try to get over a few times per year. I’m in my aunts house and we had planned a picnic in the garden which has steadily been interrupted by orange bands marching up a down a road not far from her. It’s a terrible noise and apart from the assault to the ears seems entirely pointless- I cannot believe in this day and age this is still happening.

it’s a mixed area faith wise and my aunt is so embarrassed about it. My husband has just arrived back from a walk where he managed to see some of the march and has informed me that there are a shit ton of the marchers drinking - singing anti catholic/Irish songs and generally behaving badly. Surely there are rules around this? Grown men with younger kids marching drunk and causing a disturbance. Culture is one thing - this isn’t it. Rant over!

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Mystro202 · 01/06/2024 22:17

Yep they are being integrated into Patrick's Day celebrations, it's just a pity it doesn't work the other way.
Dublin also.

www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/more-often-seen-marching-behind-an-orange-order-lodge-the-story-behind-the-flute-band-members-clapped-and-cheered-on-the-streets-of-dublin-on-st-patricks-day-PWY3TCGUPZHI7HC7BPUYKPIBTI/

Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 22:16

CantSeeTheDifference · 01/06/2024 22:05

Just put a stop to it 😂😂😂😂

Trust me, as horrible as the marches are, stopping them will result in absolute carnage. We will go back to bombings and murders. Think I'm being dramatic? Then thank your lucky stars none of your family had to live through the terrifying events of the Troubles.

Parliamentary groups are terrorists, the police have no control over them.

My family did live through it - I didn’t. My parents are different religions and moved away to avoid the troubles. There are decent people and bad people everywhere but something has to change if there is hope for future generations. I don’t want my children around bands of any sort of sectarian bent. Its wrong.

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BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/06/2024 22:14

Mystro202 · 01/06/2024 22:12

I was very surprised to learn that most of the bands playing in the Downpatrick St Patrick's Day parade this year were loyalist ones 😧

Wt-flip? And that's where St Patrick and St Brigid are buried. How anti Catholic can you get.

VeryStressedMum · 01/06/2024 22:14

I'm very surprised that considering your family are from NI and live there in areas where the pavements are painted you don't know more about it and why it can't just be stopped if enough people complain

stressedespresso · 01/06/2024 22:13

Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 22:11

No need for the sarcasm - belfast is no stranger to riots- no one wants that again but bigotry can’t be allowed to fester forever through fear of the bigots using violence.

Try telling that to a group of terrorists.

Mystro202 · 01/06/2024 22:12

I was very surprised to learn that most of the bands playing in the Downpatrick St Patrick's Day parade this year were loyalist ones 😧

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Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 22:11

VeryStressedMum · 01/06/2024 21:47

Good idea they should put a stop to it I don't know why no one has thought of that before.

The next time you go to visit NI you can instead listen to the sounds of rioting and violence.

No need for the sarcasm - belfast is no stranger to riots- no one wants that again but bigotry can’t be allowed to fester forever through fear of the bigots using violence.

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stressedespresso · 01/06/2024 22:09

CantSeeTheDifference · 01/06/2024 22:05

Just put a stop to it 😂😂😂😂

Trust me, as horrible as the marches are, stopping them will result in absolute carnage. We will go back to bombings and murders. Think I'm being dramatic? Then thank your lucky stars none of your family had to live through the terrifying events of the Troubles.

Parliamentary groups are terrorists, the police have no control over them.

This. The sheer ignorance and naivety on this thread is quite shocking!

CantSeeTheDifference · 01/06/2024 22:08

CantSeeTheDifference · 01/06/2024 22:05

Just put a stop to it 😂😂😂😂

Trust me, as horrible as the marches are, stopping them will result in absolute carnage. We will go back to bombings and murders. Think I'm being dramatic? Then thank your lucky stars none of your family had to live through the terrifying events of the Troubles.

Parliamentary groups are terrorists, the police have no control over them.

paramilitary, obviously 🙄

Travis1 · 01/06/2024 22:07

Yup the ‘big walk’ is in my town this year so we shall be descended on by bloody thousands and our town is not that big. Husband has marked the date in the calendar and current plan is to head out early and avoid the lot of it. We will need to leave mega early as the first parades tend to Marshall around 8am 🙄

DotDashDot24 · 01/06/2024 22:06

based on supremacy that the ‘natives’ should know their place

It's not that simple, but as I said above, it's the legacy of English colonialism in Ireland.

CantSeeTheDifference · 01/06/2024 22:05

Just put a stop to it 😂😂😂😂

Trust me, as horrible as the marches are, stopping them will result in absolute carnage. We will go back to bombings and murders. Think I'm being dramatic? Then thank your lucky stars none of your family had to live through the terrifying events of the Troubles.

Parliamentary groups are terrorists, the police have no control over them.

stressedespresso · 01/06/2024 22:04

Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 17:57

Why aren’t they out a stop to? Surely there are enough people objecting to the noise pollution not to mention the police and clean up resources needed. The road they were on is now littered with empty beer cans etc. surely there is a better way of celebrating/ promoting culture than that? I’ve yet to hear one person say they enjoy attending them so how do they keep going?

I mean this kindly (and I also hate marching season) but you obviously understand very little about policing in Northern Ireland..

NopeImnotdoingthat · 01/06/2024 22:02

I'm not a fan of these marches AT ALL, but I think this thread is a perfect example of the staggering lack of understanding in the rest of the UK of social ecosystem in the North of Ireland.

Yes, there are definitely rough areas with rough bands (and OP if you aunt is being asked to contribute to painting flagstones she almost certainly lives in one of these locations).

In reality the vast majority of these marches take place in rural locations with small bands that play hymns and non sectarian music. They'll often go and entertain residents in nursing homes as well for example. Although more common in Protestant areas, it's also true with Catholic bands. I've on occasion (although not often) heard of bands lending instruments to a band from the "other side" to help them out. The sectarianism does exist, but the relationships in those communities can also can be multi-layered and close even between people from different parts of the religious divide.

There seems to be a need to be really reductive about conflict impacted communities, but I think if you've grown up in society like that, you understand instinctively that it's a learning curve out of divide and everyone comes at it differently. Just labelling someone as a bigot without actually understanding anything about their circumstances or context is terribly naive.

AllAboardTootToot · 01/06/2024 22:02

Got stuck behind one today in North Lanarkshire with a hungry baby - that was fun trying to get home! Bastards 😂

allthevitamins · 01/06/2024 22:01

The Protestant taxi thing is true though.

For many many years, possibly even now, only certain taxis would take certain people to certain areas, and it could be unsafe.

My view is that anyone who wants to march or celebrate their culture in public in NI should hire a stadium to do it, and not antagonise their neighbours.

ThursdayTomorrow · 01/06/2024 22:01

It sounds as though it’s just become a social event now, something these men are just enjoying doing, socialising and drinking and annoying others.

DotDashDot24 · 01/06/2024 21:59

LifeExperience · 01/06/2024 20:55

Utter, unadulterated bullshit. There are Orange Lodges in the US, but the last Orange March took place in NYC in 1871. Anti-Catholic marches would not be tolerated in the US today, and I say that as a Protestant who converted to Catholicism.

There are orange orders in Canada, the US and ,I believe, Australia.

I read that there were still marches in North America, and didn't realise it only meant Canada;.

"There are also Twelfth marches in Canada and Australia. As the longest consecutively held parade in North America (first held in 1821), the Twelfth March was the largest parade in Toronto[46] when thousands of Orangemen would march in front of tens of thousands of spectators, until the 1970s.[47] At the time, the Orange Order held such sway that membership in the Order was an unspoken prerequisite for holding civic office.[48] However, the march's popularity has drastically diminished in recent years, as only about 500 people participate in modern Orange parades.[46] Orangemen's Day is still a provincial public sector holiday in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador,[49] but not a shops closing holiday.[50]"

Re. the tradition of marching bands in the US and Canada; I meant there is a (possibly related) tradition of marching bands, pipe bands etc. in those countries. That is all. (Not bands who march in OO parades, as in NI).

Anyway ....with your fabulous tact, diplomacy, politeness and respectful inoffensive manner, you should really come here and sort out the political problems. What could go wrong.

Canada - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada

Swiftea · 01/06/2024 21:58

The Orange culture is based on supremacy that the ‘natives’ should know their place. The marches are designed to intimidate and assert domination.

Orange members have to swear never to attend a Catholic church. Members have been ‘disciplined’ for attending the funeral of a Catholic policeman. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/15/unionists-orange-order-kerr-funeral

Hateful bigots.

Thankfully attendance is dropping rapidly.

Unionists face Orange Order complaint over Ronan Kerr funeral | Northern Ireland | The Guardian

Two Ulster Unionists attended funeral mass for murdered Catholic PSNI constable despite ban

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/15/unionists-orange-order-kerr-funeral

VeryStressedMum · 01/06/2024 21:47

Pippin24 · 01/06/2024 17:57

Why aren’t they out a stop to? Surely there are enough people objecting to the noise pollution not to mention the police and clean up resources needed. The road they were on is now littered with empty beer cans etc. surely there is a better way of celebrating/ promoting culture than that? I’ve yet to hear one person say they enjoy attending them so how do they keep going?

Good idea they should put a stop to it I don't know why no one has thought of that before.

The next time you go to visit NI you can instead listen to the sounds of rioting and violence.

Phantasmagorically · 01/06/2024 21:38

In fact I'm sure I read that more orange marches take place in Glasgow annually than in Belfast.

Phantasmagorically · 01/06/2024 21:36

tuvamoodyson · 01/06/2024 18:02

Well, lots of people were enjoying the one near me today! Dads with young kids on their shoulders etc….street was lined with spectators! They’re will be a ‘walk’ in Glasgow in a few weeks (used to be the Saturday nearest the 12th) and you won’t get moving for people watching it!

I lived in Glasgow for years. Obv the big march was the one before the 12th (so they could pop over and join the 'celebrations' in NI for the actual 12th) but they were also held frequently throughout the year on random Saturdays. Really got on my wick.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 01/06/2024 21:34

Plus certain parts of Lanarkshire love nothing more than a bit of religious intolerance ;-)

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/06/2024 21:32

Orange order lodges closely related to freemasonry. Symbolism, uniform, aims are the same. They were born from each other. Catholicism only religion not compatible with freemasonry. 33 degrees in freemasonry. When you get to 33rd degree, you realise that the 'higher power' you worship is satan himself. Bad, bad news.