Orange marches belfast

Because William of Orange was the protestant king William II of Scotland.

They had them in Liverpool when I was a student. Very rough looking people and beer cans thrown everywhere. It just seemed so old fashioned.

They get rougher and more unpleasant each year, and deliberately so. The least worst option is for everyone else to blank it and wait for the season to pass.

I’m confused, why do Scots do the match too? If they are in Scotland I’m presuming they are not related to Protestant Scot’s that went to settle in Northern Ireland 100’s of years ago, why do they care?! Can someone teach me on this one

Utter, unadulterated bullshit. There are Orange Lodges in the US, but the last Orange March took place in NYC in 1871. Anti-Catholic marches would not be tolerated in the US today, and I say that as a Protestant who converted to Catholicism.

Is it any different to Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson and his band of bigots in Central London today?

I'm a Catholic in the North,I don't actually mind the bands marching as in the noise of the drums etc. However the trouble it brings is ridiculous! The drinking,the rubbish,the urinating in people's front gardens snd all the road closures and a loss to local businesses.

I feel like they've been practicing for ages now.

Thankfully they don't march in my area but not too far can hear it like

I grew up in a town in the west of Scotland where this was normal. And the one I live in now has them regularly as well.

But it’s Kulture, OP

Do you even have a clue?

It's a national bloody embarrassment OP. Like something from the Dark Ages. Thankfully I live in an area where there's very little of this nonsense. My dad was a Protestant from the Shankhill Road and my mum was a Catholic (and I'm an atheist!) so I consider myself reasonably unbiased. But I think the Orange bands, glorifying their contempt for Catholics, are an absolute disgrace.

It’s a one off and a few days a year in certain areas - the general population take no notice/avoid!

Don’t be put off Northern Ireland reading this, it’s beautiful and we’re great craic.

Mostly banned in Scotland. Recent bans in Stonehaven (twice) and Aberdeen in last couple of months.

Indeed. The participants usually struggle to number a full set of teeth between them. I don't think they're as well supported as they were 40 years ago but still shite and can't die out soon enough.

Yeah they’d be best left in the past.

A funny story though. I was working for a organisation which was really pushing the “civic engagement” narrative. Letting “the community” use their buildings at the weekends, inviting local residents into the canteen, giving back etc etc. Just a big PR exercise really.

So we were having a big meeting in one of the head offices which was in a rough area (in Glasgow) and everyone is waxing lyrical about supporting the local community etc. it was a rare hot day and all the windows were open and all of a sudden the local orange band strikes up! Practicing for the big marches but it was deafening and everyone in the room knew that it was a sectarian band practice.

We couldn’t continue the meeting because of the noise (even with the windows closed) - it just made me laugh that the “local people” were drowning out the “doing good work” brigade who were aghast at the blatant bigotry on display. It sure changed the civic engagement policy they decided to only engage in less deprived areas where the locals would be more naice

Others will not be bad

(I should clarify; not "bad" in terms of being thuggish, scummy, being perpetrators of hate speech/songs etc.

However they are probably still bigoted to some extent; but I'm sorry to say that that sort of bigotry is very common in NI - in both directions.
I've been on the receiving end of it as a perceived Protestant (my family is actually mixed religious background but my name is British/Scottish and therefore my identity is perceived as Protestant) many many times in my mostly Irish nationalist hometown.

The bands and the orders they march behind are full of all sorts of people.

It's traditional for many Protestant farmers, for example, to be in the OO and march in the 12th.

Within the bandsmen and women, there might be a "bad" element. Others will not be bad, just part of a family tradition where you play in a band, do practice marches and then march on the 12th.

Unfortunately there are hooligan-y, scum bag, racist etc elements in all societies.... Like you see in some English football clubs.

Oh and if they wanted the troubles back; there would be more than just the very minimal, extremists (on both "sides") occasionally continuing terrorism. Clearly the majority don't, or the agreement wouldn't have held on both "sides".

I know you're not responsible for your government now, let alone in the past, but I still find it ironic when English people are so outraged & disapproving of things like this, things that are entirely the legacy of England/GB colonising Ireland.

(And of the reformation in England/religious history).

I'm.afraud also found people in England, (during my time living there) seemed to have learned little to no Irish/NI history at school, and subsequently had very simplistic and extreme views on it.

We were in a pub in Scotland this afternoon and a march came past. The noise was terrible and they held up the traffic on the main High Street. They are barbaric and should be stopped. I was angry when I saw the police walking with them.

I think she's referring to marches lol

I'd say it's always a challenge to keep the ruffian element under control.

A bit like footie matches.

whiny pipes and hate songs

Marching bands are flute, accordion or pipe.

Pipe bands are the least common in NI.

Pipes are quite difficult to play and possibly more difficult to maintain.

Flutes are the cheapest and therefore more common.

The traditional songs are generally not "hate" songs. They are commonly things like "It's a long way to Tipperary" and "The Sash my father wore".

People singing hate songs are the dregs.

Wtf is behind the chanting of hateful lyrics etc.

Tribalism and sectarian hatred, which sadly is still very popular with some

Like a couple of ex friends, who when I called a taxi recently told me in all seriousness that I'd got to cancel it because "it was a protestant taxi"

It's extremely provocative. Imagine white people marching through a black neighbourhood singing hate filled songs. I think it actually stems from an inferiority complex. I guess they want a reaction. Let them at it.