To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

How can someone be transgender if, as some here are saying, gender identity doesn't exist?

(Obviously the flesh and blood people who are trans "exist" - the point is that some here are saying they're not actually transgender.)

Gender and gender identity are surely the same thing?

No. Gender is a social construct based on sex (binary, immutable) and a concept used by sociologists. Gender identity is the equivalent of a gendered soul.

Well done @Manhere2024 I always try to call out these forms. The more of us the better.

And for the TRAs, us saying we don't believe in your religion doesn't mean you don't exist. You're not Tinkerbell. You're real human beings who will carry on existing whatever others believe. You're welcome.

Gender and gender identity are surely the same thing? I definitely feel female. Difficult to define but it's a combination of physical traits and attributes with societal conditioning. Things like having a certain body shape, having periods, having the possibility of carrying and giving birth to children, having certain personality traits, for some women it would include wearing make up jewellery long hair high heels (although not for me). It includes a lot of subtle mannerisms and behavioural traits, the way that women respond to social cues, a lot is subconscious. Obviously not all women have all of these factors, but the majority do. I don't agree that most people don't have a gender identity.

I don't think it's actually possible to change sex or gender although some people may have traits that make them feel out of the norm of their own gender and that might make them feel they would fit better in the other gender, particularly in the current climate.

If you want to double check you can read from the start of this thread, you'll see the posts quite quickly.

There are people on here are saying trans people don't exist. Maybe you're not saying that but others do.

Evidence please.

No-one is saying either of those things, but you know that you are just saying it for effect.

There are people on here are saying trans people don't exist. Maybe you're not saying that but others do.

Also if you want to collect statistics whether someone is living as thier natal gender really can make a big difference.

So have a question relevant to that and that alone and one that those to whom it does not apply can skip over or tick not applicable.

There would be absolute outrage here if for example crime statistics only looked at the lived gender identity of an individual.

Have you been living under a rock lately? Not noticed how crime statistics have been skewed due to exactly the above happening?

Gender critical can’t have it both ways. Trans people exist and have every right to exist.

No-one is saying either of those things, but you know that you are just saying it for effect.

The only people who want it both ways are those in thrall to Gender Ideology.

Apologies for quoting myself.

But I would have the same issue if the questionnaire asked if you were a
cis man/woman

It forces you to accept a gender identity.

Gendered terms, yes.

Animals don't have genders for each other. They just know that there are males and females. It is humans who gender them bitch/dog, doe/buck, sow/boar etc. These are made up terms applied to particular groups. Like boy/girl man/woman.

Female and male are biological sexes. Woman and man are the terms for adult human females and males.

This. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand. You can't have a gender if you don't believe in the concept of gender.

Define gender @HollyKnight

I'm not making this a trans debate. It is a trans debate.

If those writing the questionnaire wish to be inclusive, then that is fine by me but only if they are inclusive to everybody and that includes those of us that do not believe in the forced definition of gender or gender identity.

Female and male are biological sexes. Woman and man are the terms for adult human females and males.

Society is ordered around sex, not an internal gender identity.
You don't get to tell other people they have a gender identity. Its not compulsory to believe.

I understand you're making this a trans debate. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the OP's contradictory words of saying they are a man, but that they don't have a gender. The term "man" is gendered to mean adult human male. People who don't identify with a gender tick "other". They don't come on MN and say, "Man here."

It's more like asking "are you still Christian" when you've always been an atheist.

People who have not changed their legal gender are the majority. There should be an opt in gender question for those who need it.

The questionnaire in the OP goes against data protection, because it collects data on people that isn't needed.

Those that believe in gender identity seem to believe in stereotypes. Hence the "I feel like a female/male" statements.
Not one has been able to define what this means other than they like stereotypical male/female things.
Those of us that do not believe in gender identity/stereotypes (IMO) believe that male/females are not constrained in this way.

The change in the term gender by the gender identity lobby is where the issue is.

Because gender is a set of socially constructed stereotypes and assumptions imposed on people because of their sex

You literally started your post with 'man here'. Man is not a sex, it is your gender. So if you have XY chromosomes then you tick yes, if not you tick no. Simple. Why do so many people have to be so difficult, it's a bloody tick box.

Oh my actual god 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Right. And what? That's not my argument. The OP can't be a man and not have a gender. So which is it?

Or is this just another dog whistle thread maybe.

So if the term is applied to people of one particular sex, then women can't be men. So by your own definition trans man is a term for something that cannot exist.

The issue becomes changing the meaning of terms to suit an agenda.

"Man" is not a sex. It is a gendered term because it applied to people of one particular sex.

Man and woman are the words for adult humans based on their sex. They have nothing to do with gender.
The same as stag and doe for deers.

This pisses me off too OP. They will probably come back to you and say its inclusive but many of us think its not inclusive at all.