To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

No, ‘they’ haven’t made me uncomfortable. Cis is just a term.

Omg after a shitty shift at work you have made me LOL.
Your post sums it up.
I work in maternity so you can only imagine what's going on in that section 🤐

What opus said…

They want or need to collect gender data to see how many trans people are accessing their service

absolutely

but people think there should be an answer for ‘no gender’

That would be completely unhelpful to the people analysing the data. What people want to know is whether you are trans or not, not what your ideological beliefs about gender are

So why not just ask a straightforward question? Why couch it in terms that makes a belief in Gender Ideology mandatory in order to respond?

OP. Surely there’s a “prefer not to say” box. Just tick that.

If you'd read the OP properly you would know that there wasn't such an option. However, prefer not to say still implies that you believe in such a thing as gender identity.

They want or need to collect gender data to see how many trans people are accessing their service. Loads of charities and government bodies now ask this. It's partly as the original sex/gender question is not adequate as it wouldn't capture, for example, a transwoman marking themselves as female or trans man saying they're male. They will probably write back an explanation about trying to cater for all gender identities. Of course it's fine not to answer that question but I wouldn't say it was useless.

So just ask "do you identify as transgender" which people who don't believe in structuring society according to how well one conforms to sexist stereotypes can just tick "no". As can those who do believe in it but categorise thenselves as not trans.

It's the way that the form gives you no option but to go along with a belief you don't share that is the problem.

Yes nutmeg

and also to differentiate between species

there are currently 3 males in my house, how many are human and how many are not human

if i used the words, men or toms or dogs then posters could answer the question

That would depend on which trans person that you ask, it also doesn't include many of those under the trans umbrella.

What's all this about "Oooh, you said "man" that's your gender identity, so just tick yes/no"

Is it supposed to be some sort of "gotcha" to the OP ?????

"Man" isn't a gender identity - it's the word we use for an adult, male human. We've used it in this way for hundreds of years. It's what it was developed for when we developed language - we are mammals, it's a very basic thing to need words to distinguish male from female sex.

The charity is trying to help people (presumably).

I would not get into it with them over this issue. Tick a box and move on.

But if you answer, "I don't believe in gender identity" you are surely not trans. So only, "Do you have a gender identity - yes", combined with "is it the same as your sex recorded at birth - no" would be classified as trans. And then everyone answering the questions would be happy. Or are there trans people who don't believe in gender identity?

Or rather, isn't it that gender stereotypes are immutable and that any member of either sex who doesn't conform to them is magically not actually part of that category any more, and that by conforming to the stereottpes of the opposite sex one can thereby gain membership of it because the sex is defined by the stereotypes.

it means someone whose gender is diff from their sex registered at birth , hence the question on the form.

That would be completely unhelpful to the people analysing the data. What people want to know is whether you are trans or not, not what your ideological beliefs about gender are 🙄

Trans people can barely explain what being trans means, why do you think that the rest of us have a chance?

Say what now? "Man" is not a sex? Since when?

So how do you explain trans people then 🙄.

OP. Surely there’s a “prefer not to say” box. Just tick that.

Let me put it a better way Gender identity is the belief that gender stereotypes are immutable and that each sex must conform to them.

Gender stereotypes are a fact. They aren't a matter of belief.

Where did I say asked to my face? I am talking about a form, the answer would be yes. You are just complicating it for the sake of it

its a question i am asking. If someone asked you to your face etc etc

your original post makes no sense…i know you think it does.

answering yes to the question…

‘do you follow the same religion you were brought up in’ means that you were brought up with a religion

answering no to that same question….means that you were brought up with a religion

What laws?

Do you mean the protected characteristics? To protect against discrimination?

Neither of which [Gender or Gender Identity] are on there.

The Equality Act does not extend to a charity registration form.

Where did I say asked to my face? I am talking about a form, the answer would be yes. You are just complicating it for the sake of it.

Ah I see, yes, the people exist, just not the trans?

Tricky one. I'd say they're clearly crossing from one idea of gender to another, or a mix (everyone surely presents a mix), though whose idea of gender it is I don't know, probably a mix of stereotypes and conventions.

I'd agree they don't change sex, but that's an entirely different question.