To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

Just to be clear where this inaccurate bollocks gets us

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

the person charged with is in fact male not a woman but thanks to the impact of “ooooh how does it affect you, it’s just a question/beeee kind” everyone reading this who doesn’t dig further will think it’s a woman

And I can live with myself because I’ve never tried to make the trans people in my life uncomfortable, or scared, or humiliated, or in any was ‘less’.

Pity the trans/queer community haven't done the same where women are concerned. Pity they have done their utmost to do all the above and dehumanise women into the bargain.

But then referring to yourself as 'a cis woman' shows you have well and truly bought into this misogynistic, homophobic ideology.

Q. Sex at birth M. F.

 Gender. M. F. Other - specify <span class="underline">_</span><span class="underline">_</span><span class="underline">_</span> 

Reasonable?

b) a man who gets off on creating performative posts which he believes will have women on MN fawning over him

Well he'll be disappointed then. As if women objecting to this nonsense will fawn over a man FFS. Doesn't mean the point he's making is invalid.

OP is right to call this out.

We don't let forms ask questions in relation to disability, or religion, or politics, that have such limited answers. We allow for the fact that people might have a range of disabilities, or none, or consider themselves to be disabled (for example) and similar with religion.

We should not allow poorly worded forms to force incorrect answers. Everyone has a biological sex but not everyone considers themselves to have a gender identity. If people such as employers want to know about biological sex, they need to phrase the question in that way - and not confuse this with a perceived gender identify.

Or just highlighting that charities are putting nonsensical questions on official forms. Not to mention factually incorrect - you aren't assigned a gender at birth.

Thanks for highlighting OP.

Just tick the damn box.

Although I do feel there should be yes/no/prefer not to say options.

That's what I do when I see posts like this, and also questions about gender identity on forms.

I’m a woman.

As a cis woman who hasn’t experienced this I feel curious, occasionally baffled, sometimes clumsy, but never uncomfortable because of how they identify themselves.

And I can live with myself because I’ve never tried to make the trans people in my life uncomfortable, or scared, or humiliated, or in any was ‘less’.

I was not “brought up” as any religion. It was simply not a topic in our family and wrong to assume everyone has a religion.

I wasn't assigned a gender at birth because my family and their friends and community were feminists who believed something which is backed up by scientific research: that gender is a social construct. They saw it as oppressive, restrictive and damaging.

I was given a gender neutral name and was brought up to be aware of the stereotypes that people would attempt to force on me as a female and to be careful not to stereotype others.

This was very common back in the 70s and 80s. To be told now that we have to find ourselves a "gender" is actually quite frightening and upsetting. It feels as if all the freedoms our parents and we ourselves fought for are being pulled back. Our entire identities and existence undermined.

To ask that feminists, people who do not identify as having a gender, people who find genders oppressive and destructive, should be allowed a tick box on a form is not "pathetic." It's important to understand that these things matter. It might seem like a random, badly thought out form, but it's all part of a wider social system and interconnected, with wide-reaching effects on lives.

not to mention protesting women’s meetings even when they’re discussing tnings like maternity issues, actively campaigning to have words like mother removed from maternity policies, holding up signs saying “decapitate TERFS”, actively contacting the employers of people who don’t comply with their demands to insist they are disciplined or sacked, TW forcing their way into women’s sports, TW taking up places on course/programmes designed to increase the representation of women? That community?

So you have no idea and no interest in understanding the OP's perspective.

I wouldn't say sabotaging but certainly changing life as we know it. Why is it so important for gender diverse people to have recognition on forms but also discriminatory against trans people if those of us who don't believe in gender want options too?

Either sex/gender is so important there should be an option for everyone or it's irrelevant and no one needs to be asked?

It’s more like saying “do you identify with the religion you were brought up as” (an example rather than trying to compare directly)
The answer is not “I don’t believe in religion”

I disagree. To me it's like religious or political beliefs, not something visible therefore should not be forced to answer one way or another.

So why did you need MN advice on it? You already made a decision.

Your username is ‘Manhere’ – that’s the signpost isn’t it?

The queer and trans community is incredible, beautiful and resilient but I’m genuinely sorry there are people that think we’re all out to sabotage life as we know it or whatever.

Hmm, really? You are talking about the illiberal and authoritarian community that brooks no dissent and is indeed forcing their belief on everyone and demanding everyone comply, aren't you?

Idiotic, meaningless questions on forms as per the form referenced in the OP are the thin end of the wedge.

Believe what you want but don't force it on anyone else and demand validation or compliance.

My thoughts exactly

They've embarrassed themselves by asking such a stupid and badly worded question.

Ah gen z were the ones to start all this attention seeking nonsense were they? Are they the lot that grew up as the internet was exploding? If so then i guess it makes sense. Everyone has to identify as something otherwise how would you feel speshul or know who your friends are?

So it's ok for people with a 'gender identity' to have changed the 'world view' but those who deal in reality, scientific fact and are GC are not allowed to have a say? I'm afraid the days of 'no debate' in this matter (or at least attempts at it) are long gone.

Gen Z have the biggest percentage of people who identify as 'queer' as it is a meaningless, catch-all term to them. Older generations see it as more specific.

Why did you need to declare you are a man for this post? And why have you made a performative post on MN about it?

You thought something, made an action against it and now you will either hear from the charity or they will ignore you.

What are you looking for?