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To tell colleague people are chatting behind her back

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MeowMail · 01/06/2024 03:52

I work in finance, I love my job but I think as an industry it can be extremely toxic, especially for women.
One of the younger women on our team is 23, if life is a lottery she had almost all the numbers. She is extremely beautiful (modelled her way through uni), tall, slim, natural tan and natural blonde hair. She is from a well off family, well educated, intelligent, talented, athletic and above all else a lovely kind person. Now I get it, it's hard not to be jealous of her at times as on the surface she has it all.
We are all also aware though that she is often subjected to male clients being flirtatious or even just sexually harassing her. If they bring enough money to the firm though there is little she can do. We also know she lost a parent as a child which I think single handedly scores out all the wins she has had in life.

Now tonight I went for drinks after work with some people, she works from home on Fridays so wasn't there. The conversation turned to being about her. And honestly the men were lovely about her but the women were like vultures, she's a nepo baby (this isn't really true at all, one of the seniors knows her dad and she did intern with us while doing her masters however - she applied the same way as everyone else and until the interview the applications are done blind (name/dob etc. removed). I sat in on her interview and she smashed it tbh.
She's a gold-digger (her new boyfriend makes more and is a bit older but nothing crazy), one of them said "I don't feel bad that the clients sexualise her, what else can you expect when you look like her" another said "I find her infuriating, I hate how easy her life is" (excuse me - she lost a parent as a child how is that easy!).
Several of the guys defended her saying she's lovely and hard working, but the women kept going find faults (her legs are too skinny, her instagram is icky, she's fake, she's this, she's that).
Now while this is bullying - 2 people from HR were there and part of it and the chief investment officer was there and said nothing.
So while I will report it, I know very little will come from it especially as it happened outside work.
However I'm thinking, this woman is talented, hardworking, smart etc. She could probably get a comparable job elsewhere if she wanted and maybe if I tell her how toxic and vile people are being it will encourage her to do so.
I did say to a few of them that I get it, it seems unfair for one person to be stunning, sporty, smart, talented, kind and hardworking and it feels like no one should get it all but she doesn't deserve the be bullied which is exactly what they were doing. They all just brushed me off and joked that when your gods favourite what does it matter what they say when she's not around.

Now I'm not sure what to do - do I tell her? Just report? I'm worried if I tell her it will be hurtful but equally I think she deserves to know so she can get out.

So AIBU for wanting to tell this colleague how horrible people are being?

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 01/06/2024 11:11

Megera · 01/06/2024 04:50

Who is this women’s line manager? They (and HR) need to be responsible for intervening in this imo.

I agree

Xelda · 01/06/2024 11:05

Another for not telling her. I accept that not everyone will like me but actually being told really hurts. Happened to me recently, one colleague mentioned that another had been talking about me and another colleague but refused to say what had been said. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Pointless and made feel quite sad and uncomfortable for a while.
It could also backfire and look like you're being a bitch for telling her under the guise of being kind.

Clawedino · 01/06/2024 10:58

Josette77 · 01/06/2024 03:58

Whenever someone has told me what others were saying behind my back, I ask them " Why did they feel comfortable ble saying that in front of you?"

And what would telling her accomplish?

Edited

Not sure what your point is. Colleagues have said things in front of me about my DH (also my colleague). Some people are brutal (particularly women) and do not care who is around when they say things!

mountaingoatsarehairy · 01/06/2024 10:54

I work in finance OP, are these women going to have any effect on your colleagues’s promotion chances ?

only tell her if they would. But they just made themselves look awful.

greenpolarbear · 01/06/2024 10:53

I've been in this situation (although I'm nowhere near as accomplished/ideal, don't have the modelling background etc).

So first off, she's probably had it happen to her in some context before, even if just at school.

And secondly, it doesn't make you feel any better when people tell you about it, because it makes you feel like shit.

So if you didn't feel comfortable saying something at the time, I would mention it to HR or just be extra nice to her - because even though she won't know why, you sound like a lovely person and it does make a difference when people are nice.

zingally · 01/06/2024 10:50

No! Don't tell her! It'll cause her nothing but distress.

This falls into the category of "what she doesn't know won't hurt her."

pizzaHeart · 01/06/2024 10:46

CheekyHobson · 01/06/2024 03:58

Your jealous colleagues’ bitchiness is having no real impact on her at this point. What she doesn’t know doesn’t hurt her.

If the bitchiness crosses the line to the point where she becomes aware of it, she can decide if she wants to stay or go.

This^
dont tell her, I’m sure she’s aware by now that not all people are nice and kind.

RubyTuesday10 · 01/06/2024 10:44

I think it’s sad that women feel so bad about themselves when confronted with a young woman whose physical appearance draws a lot of attention. I am the same, I feel awful about myself when I see a conventionally beautiful woman and feel sad and resentful that I wasn’t as ‘lucky’. I would never be cruel to a woman though like that though, it’s quite horrible the things they were saying. I suppose dragging her down is an attempt to counteract the way she makes them feel but I doubt it has the desired effect. Probably makes them feel worse in the long run. Too many of us have this internalised belief that we are not good enough if we don’t look a certain way and it feels like years of internalised misogyny. I’m as guilty of this belief as anyone but can’t help thinking what a force for good it would be if women totally rejected it and championed ourselves and each other. It would be a very different world.

xyz111 · 01/06/2024 10:42

Don't tell her. There's no benefit to it. I would work on myself, being brave enough to stick up for her like the men did.

MeowMail · 01/06/2024 10:36

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

I highly doubt she is saying anything - why would she? I think talking crap about people shows insecurity and I don't think for a second that she is insecure or would have any reason to drag anyone else down.
They do it out of jealousy and feel threatened.

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GagaBinks · 01/06/2024 10:33

I must have a different definition of bullying to everyone else. This is bitching/talking shit, isn't it? Could just be a one-time isolated incident?

Bullying, to me, is long term and awful for the recipient. They're aware of it themselves.

I dunno. I would stay out of this if it were me. I don't like to insert myself into dramas and situations.

Choochoo21 · 01/06/2024 10:32

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

Most people don’t bitch about their colleagues behind their backs.

The only ones who do are jealous and bitter.

It doesn’t sound like this young woman has anything to be bitter or jealous about these other women.

Choochoo21 · 01/06/2024 10:31

Don’t tell her as that will make her feel bad.

But definitely report it.

I have a bitchy colleague too and it’s just pure jealousy.

As they say misery loves company and these women must have very miserable lives to be so vile about someone who is a nice person.

yumyumyumy · 01/06/2024 10:25

ExtraOnions · 01/06/2024 10:21

If I were you I would be questioning my own decision to work for an organisation that accepts the sexually harrasment of women as the “norm”

I note that all the men in this scenario are saints, and all the women are sinners

What you have here is a toxic, misogynistic workplace.

Yes it does really sound awful.

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

Gcsunnyside23 · 01/06/2024 10:23

You'd only be telling her to make yourself feel better that you didn't speak up. It'll achieve nothing but make her paranoid or upset. There are bitches everywhere you go and those women just showed everyone who they were, it was obvious to everyone else they are jealous. Unless it ramps up or they are directly acting against her then don't tell her

BettyBlueHat · 01/06/2024 10:23

Telling her will only upset her. What do you hope to gain from telling her?

If you truly feel what they’re saying is wrong, then you should stand up to them and stand up for her.

ExtraOnions · 01/06/2024 10:21

If I were you I would be questioning my own decision to work for an organisation that accepts the sexually harrasment of women as the “norm”

I note that all the men in this scenario are saints, and all the women are sinners

What you have here is a toxic, misogynistic workplace.

yumyumyumy · 01/06/2024 10:19

Why on earth would you tell her? I'd just avoid those jealous nasty bitches in social settings going forward.

Username056 · 01/06/2024 10:16

Please don’t tell her people have been bitching about her. This happened to me once. I suspected it but a colleague and friend told me. It upset me and I did question the motives of the “friend” in telling me. It made me wonder how many times she had listened and been part of these conversations even passively. I didn’t trust her after that. I got another job as soon as I could and had no contact with anyone who worked there after that including “friend”.

Hankunamatata · 01/06/2024 10:16

As long as they aren't pretending to be her friends then I'd let it lie. She's probably put up with this shit for years

Spinet · 01/06/2024 10:15

I wonder which city you are in as this doesn't sound like any sort of scenario that would be acceptable in finance etc the UK these days. I'm sure there are industries where it would happen but any HR person would have shut that conversation down sharpish in the finance/banking industries.

It's difficult to stick up for people in the moment bit perhaps you could talk to HR about leading some kind of company culture project since it sounds toxic.

DuckEggy · 01/06/2024 10:14

I'd not say. Don't join in, obviously, be nice to her and let her sort it. She sounds as though she will quickly be promoted and the naysayers will have to put up with her being their boss eventually.

JoniBlue · 01/06/2024 10:13

I see no reason to risk undermining her confidence. Unless you hope to drive her out of the company. Her female workmates are jealous and bitter and envious, two faced and gossipy.

dicokno · 01/06/2024 10:08

I wouldn't tell her.
But the next time the bitching starts up, find your voice and tell the people concerned that it's not on.