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To not want DD’s friend here all the time?

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Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 01:53

I can’t work out if I’m being a bitch or not.

DD is 20 and has ASD and other health issues, she does not work and gets UC and PIP. She pays me £100 a week towards rent, bills, food etc, but has around £1k per month to spend as she pleases.

She is a lovely girl and struggles with her mental health, she isn’t able to get out and do much, and is in her room a lot of the time. She doesn’t have many friends, but she has one very good friend who is nearing the end of the his college course and as such has been spending an increasing amount of time here. DD really enjoys having him here (he’s not a boyfriend, just a friend).

However, him being here costs me a bloody fortune! Money is very tight at the moment as I’m not able to work much due to my own health, and I swear DD’s friend has hollow legs. He has an amazing knack for turning up just as I’ve done a food shop, and he’s like a swarm of termites. Before I know it, the food shop which I’d planned on lasting a week is gone in 2/3 days.

On one hand DD loves having him here, he’s a nice lad and I think he’s pretty unhappy at home. But on the other hand I feel resentment at having to feed the bugger so much! He lives about an hour away by bus so when he appears he tends to stay for 5 days or so. He left 3 days ago after a 5 day stay and then reappeared today…just in time for yesterday’s food shop. The food shop I did yesterday was a bit of a skimpy one as I’m completely broke until next week, so I literally can’t afford to go shopping again if he eats all our food again, which he will.

AIBU? If I was rolling in cash this wouldn’t be an issue at all, but I’m really not.

OP posts:
FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 01/06/2024 07:57

Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 02:19

@Losetowin the money she gets is her money, she’s an adult. £100 a week is a fair amount I think towards her living costs, so I don’t think I’d be reasonable to ask her for any more than that. But if her friend is here then no the amount she gives me doesn’t cover that. It would be hard to know how much extra to ask her for though as it’s very random as to when the friend is here. He’s been 3 times for a few days in the last couple of weeks, but then we might not see him for another two or three weeks.

The issue is you are also currently paying a lot of her friends living costs and you can't afford that so the options are:

  • she pays more to cover her friends food
  • he brings food
  • he stops eating when he comes round.

If she was to contribute an extra £20 a week that would cover getting in some extra cheap filling foods like, pasta and sauce, cheese, bread, apples, milk etc then you can have a selection of easy to make quick foods available that she and he can eat when he's round. They could whip up a massive pan of mac n cheese and fill their hollow legs.

tiddletiddleboomboom · 01/06/2024 07:51

ETA: I think its actually more important that he contributes too, you don't want DD to be thinking it's any more ok for a man to be a cocklodger living off her than for you to be subsidising her friends

This is an excellent point- she will then learn that it's her job to finance a bloke. Yes, of course she should be paying more but he should also be contributing. It's nothing to do with being a bitch, you are teaching her life skills and we all have to learn those. You'd be doing her a disservice not to actually. I think you should talk to both of them.

RoseGoldEagle · 01/06/2024 07:49

They’re 20, I think it can bit of an awkward age where they should being mature and adult about things, but if no one has taught them or pointed out some home truths, they will still be acting like entitled children. You’d be doing them both a favour to tell them- you love having her at home, and your like him, and are happy for him to come over, but if it’s going to be for several nights at a time, he needs to start paying towards food. That’s honestly not rude, or you being a bitch, it’s a perfectly reasonable expectation of another adult. If he’s upset or offended by that then so be it, he needs to hear it. It’s just not a reasonable to expect that, at 20, that you can rock up at a friends parents house (or anyone’s house!), stay for days at a time and help yourself to their food.

DoreenonTill8 · 01/06/2024 07:47

Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 02:26

She’s really sweet and thoughtful but mentally a lot younger than her real age, so adulting is a mystery to her and she just wouldn’t realise how much things cost. She spends her money on clothes, art supplies, any travel that she does (train fares) and she is saving for a trip abroad with another friend later in the year. She definitely has a lot more disposable income than I do!

How will she manage abroad if she doesn't realise you need to pay for food and general costs to live?

Mmmm19 · 01/06/2024 07:46

Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 02:19

@Losetowin the money she gets is her money, she’s an adult. £100 a week is a fair amount I think towards her living costs, so I don’t think I’d be reasonable to ask her for any more than that. But if her friend is here then no the amount she gives me doesn’t cover that. It would be hard to know how much extra to ask her for though as it’s very random as to when the friend is here. He’s been 3 times for a few days in the last couple of weeks, but then we might not see him for another two or three weeks.

But does £100 a week fully cover her share of all bills, food and some extra for rent. Given she has so much spare - more than most - I would make what you Get from her a realistic amount. I know what you mean about not been able to give same as what you had as a child - I am some what similar despite having a much more professional ‘high paying job’ but if you haven’t got it you haven’t got it and it won’t do her any harm at all and maybe better prepare her for later in life. As for the boy I’d say to your daughter they need to sort food when he’s visiting - online delivery?

BreatheAndFocus · 01/06/2024 07:46

Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 02:34

@liv4321S yes I think he’s a lot happier here. Which is why I feel like a bit of an arsehole resenting him being here.

I don’t think you’re an arsehole at all. It’s not up to you to provide an alternative home for him. When I was a teen, some of my friends lived in posh country houses with ponies and so on. I didn’t dream of inviting myself to live with them, even though they could most definitely have afforded it without even noticing.

Sorry, but you need to be firmer. Firstly, so what if he lives an hour’s bus ride away. That’s nothing, is it? That’s a commute for many people. It’s not like he’s having to walk 50 miles to get to your house. So, there’s zero reason for him to stay over. I’d probably allow one or two stayovers a week but only to avoid late travel, eg Dave arrives late morning, spends the day with your DD and stays over, but then gets a bus back to his home around lunchtime the next day. Certainly not staying 5 bloody days!

Also, you need to point out to him how a) you can’t afford to feed him so much; b) he shouldn’t be helping himself to food; and c) if he’s really your DD’s friend he’d be better off encouraging her to go out a bit more, not enabling her to stay in her room.

You’re being far, far too soft here! Ask him for a contribution towards food, but ideally reduce his visiting time. Get your DD to sit down with you and do an online shop so she can see the cost of food and how it all adds up.

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 01/06/2024 07:40

Your daughter sounds woefully lacking in adult skills. Your job is to make her more independent within her capabilities. At the moment she’s managed to attract a friend who takes advantage of her.
It’s very common in vulnerable people on benefits to have such ‘friends’. My son is plagued by them, as soon as his money comes in they are round him like flies, he’s cooking up meals and being the jolly host , of course as soon as they’ve eaten and drunk him dry they all disappear for another month. He thinks they are his friends.
I had no idea when he was growing up that he was on the spectrum and I wish I had spent less time worrying about keeping him in school and more time building up his self confidence.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 01/06/2024 07:36

Trainersbythetruckload · 01/06/2024 02:19

@Losetowin the money she gets is her money, she’s an adult. £100 a week is a fair amount I think towards her living costs, so I don’t think I’d be reasonable to ask her for any more than that. But if her friend is here then no the amount she gives me doesn’t cover that. It would be hard to know how much extra to ask her for though as it’s very random as to when the friend is here. He’s been 3 times for a few days in the last couple of weeks, but then we might not see him for another two or three weeks.

As an adult she'd normally be paying 1000% of cost of hosting friends. Its very reasonable for her to cover the costs of hosting her friend. Alternatively he can pay for himself, he should be contributing directly if he's staying for so long.

ETA: I think its actually more important that he contributes too, you don't want DD to be thinking it's any more ok for a man to be a cocklodger living off her than for you to be subsidising her friends.

StormingNorman · 01/06/2024 07:35

Your daughter should be paying a bit more to cover him and also her own food. She doesn’t need £1000 a month walking around money, especially if you are struggling to feed the family.

determinedtomakethiswork · 01/06/2024 07:30

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 01/06/2024 02:01

I’d talk to DD and say if he is going to be there so much she/he needs to give you an extra £50 a week. It’s lovely that she has a good friend but not that you should be feeding constantly

Yes but £50 pw isn't enough.

I think your daughter should pay her rent and the food bill. It's outrageous that you are funding both of them to this extent.

Tell her it's not on. She has to make a proper contribution. And he needs to stop being so bloody greedy.

Hateliars34 · 01/06/2024 07:29

You sound like a lovely mum, OP. This isn't an issue though as your DD has plenty of disposable income.

When he turns up, ask for how long he's staying. Have a chat with DD about costs and how you cannot afford to feed another person, so while he's there either she or he will have to contribute to his food costs. This could be £10 a day (depending on how much he actually eats but I imagine for most people that's reasonable), or your DD will have to do a food shop for him instead.

ittakes2 · 01/06/2024 07:27

£400 a month for lodging, utility bills and food is not enough. I would also make sure he is not seeking cash from her as £1k monthly spending money is a lot. You are so generous to him it’s likely she is too.

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 01/06/2024 07:25

Take her shopping. Say here’s a trolley, all main meals and food for the family I buy, everything you and the boy consume goes in there and you buy. Tell her you have x to spend on food FOR THE FAMILY and when it’s gone, that’s it. This might help her understand finances and independence too.
I was going to be a lot more lax, but see she can travel to see friends and is planning to travel independently. Budgeting skills will be very helpful for her. Also to recognise that men that assume that they will be fed for free are pretty unattractive, even as friends.

Purpleturtle45 · 01/06/2024 07:13

Am I right in thinking your daughter gets approx £1400 in benefits each month?

Mammyloveswine · 01/06/2024 07:04

How on earth does this work? Does he just help himself and make meals? How did this even start? I can't fathom how someone could be in my home just casually helping themselves and me not saying "Daniel, no the sausages are for a meal, please put them back in the fridge. You cannot just help yourself to food".

Even my two young children know to ask if we are at a relatives house, not to just help themselves (and even then they whisper to me they are hungry and I tell them to ssshh we are going soon!),

CrushedOrange · 01/06/2024 06:55

Tine for the pair of them to get a flat together. Extended sleepovers are for kids or adults with their own place.

rainbowstardrops · 01/06/2024 06:46

It's nice that your daughter has a friend that comes to visit but it shouldn't be at your expense! And why does he need to stay for 3-5 days at a time? He only lives an hour away!
I'd sit down and work out how much extra he's costing you and have a frank and honest conversation with the pair of them.

SuffolkUnicorn · 01/06/2024 06:41

He’s got more front than Sainsburys

SuffolkUnicorn · 01/06/2024 06:40

Why doesn’t he cough up some money?

ellyfb · 01/06/2024 06:35

I would sit them both down and explain the situation. Tell them you're happy for him to be there but he needs to contribute a bit more towards bills etc!

Everleigh13 · 01/06/2024 06:31

I just couldn’t have this - somebody staying in my house and eating my food and not contributing. You are being taken andvantage of. Even if I had loads of money I wouldn’t allow this sort of behaviour.

Username947531 · 01/06/2024 06:29

1k a month disposable income on benefits is a huge amount and she needs to learn that it doesn't grow on trees. Tell her that you love having her friend to stay but you can't afford the food so she needs to pay another 100 or 200 a month towards the household and ask him to pay her something for nights he stays.

LAMPS1 · 01/06/2024 06:19

OP it’s not only what she actually costs you, that you should be considering.

Surely at 20, your DD needs to learn about all the different components of living costs. For her to give you only £100 when she keeps 1k a month is teaching her nothing but entitlement and keeping her in the dark about the real world out there. You are doing her a disservice I’m afraid.

I would increase the amount she gives ….double it at least, as a starter. And insist she saves at least half of the remainder.

I think it’s not good at all that you are struggling to buy food when this situation continues and your DD is oblivious to that struggle.

Use this golden opportunity to teach her, and her friend, that food, electricity, water and lodging isn’t free. Talk to them both and show them your shopping receipts and your utility bills and your council tax, car expenses, rent or mortgage bills.
Tell them you are flat broke and can not buy any more food this week and ask how they could help. Let them think about, and plan how they would manage if they had to pay their way. In fact, they surely should be paying their way entirely now. Isn’t that what your DD’s benefits are for ?

There is absolutely no shame in giving them this very important life lesson OP.
I hope you can sort out a much better arrangement now.

Grimchmas · 01/06/2024 06:15

Is the friend working?

Pepperama · 01/06/2024 05:58

I’d sit them down. Say you like having him around but money is very tight so it’s caused you to have to go without. If he wants to stay, either he or your daughter will have to give you extra money so you can buy enough food for everyone. Tell them exactly how much extra you’ll need. How they split it between them is then up to them.