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To wonder what’s the point when I’m left with this after bills?

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ReLOa · 31/05/2024 16:01

In a stressful job and single parent to nursery age child. I have 570 left after all bills and childcare and petrol, excluding food. What is the actual point in this?! We can’t do much at weekends and holidays are out of the question. I’m supposedly in a highly paid job (earn 70k) and I feel like giving up. Just been paid and looking ahead at the month I’ve already had to turn down some things like an adventure park day with friends as it was 28 pounds entry and a 35 mile round trip. I feel like I’m failing yet not sure what more I can possibly do?!

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Ariela · 01/06/2024 15:02

A few things to consider: flexible working: if you could reduce your hours on a temporary basis to take your salary below £50k to get child benefit AND loose the 40% tax, would you gain and also save more on nursery fees (with the less hours) than the extra take home currently is?
If the nursery will still charge regardless for the full week, is it worth considering extra pension contributions to take you down a tax bracket & gaining child benefit? Or reducing hours and doing something else (for yourself)

Alternatively work for a promotion, and/or ask for, and justify a pay rise (women tend not to ask)

jeaux90 · 01/06/2024 14:37

@ReLOa I'm a lone parent to DD15.
Early years were absolutely the worst and most expensive and I was on about the same as you when she was 2/3 years old.

Can I ask what you do for work? I know this is going to sound like the last thing you want to hear but if you can, now is the time to try and climb and push yourself hard rather than cave to the pressure of the financial burden of lone parenting.

People often don't get that it's hard as a lone parent despite being on a decent salary.

But if you are in an industry where you can progress and there is higher earning potential...knuckle down and do it now.

Vettrianofan · 01/06/2024 14:14

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 09:58

Another nasty, ableist comment so rife on mumsnet.

Absolutely disgusting isn't it. Its really not that easy to claim DLA.

Vettrianofan · 01/06/2024 13:46

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 09:55

The whole point of a tax system is to redistribute wealth to ensure resources are pooled, spent on things needed for the common good and so that everyone has a sufficient standard of living.

Thanks again. Yep, we need wealth redistribution to happen or we would all be f*cked.

Carebearsonmybed · 01/06/2024 13:43

When I was working ft as a single parent with a dc in ft nursery I was only a tenner a week better off than unemployed on benefits.

But the long term benefits are huge.

Vettrianofan · 01/06/2024 13:42

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 09:45

That's absurd. Carers save the state/taxpayers/nhs vast sums of money and, anyway, the amount you'd need to earn in order to pay another person's living wage on top would be phenomenal.

Thank you @Tunefultwix at least some people get it😊

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 12:00

Mummy2024 · 01/06/2024 10:58

Yeah and that's all fine and good but OP is expected to pay way more than most into that pool of reasources and take absolutely nothing from it. You think that's fair?

This has opened my eyes massively

I think the OP's situation has little to do with people worse off financially than herself (I'm much worse off, but nevertheless have sympathy for her and her stressful situation), but a lot to do with societal and political issues such as ingrained sexism resulting in lack of childcare support, lack of support from fathers (we don't know in this situation, but too often the child's dad isn't paying half the childcare costs or maintenance towards other expenses, which would make a big difference, or actually looking after the child while OP is at work, depending on his own work requirements), lack of family and community as people tend to live further apart and more isolated than in the past, absurdly high housing costs on top.of the current cost of living issues, cuts to child benefit, etc. etc.. There's a lot that's unfair and should be addressed but I see it as affecting all women, parents, children, and not a reason to bash people on benefits or those like the OP on very high salaries but still finding things hard due to factors that require change at a political level.

strawberrybubblegum · 01/06/2024 11:21

Mummy2024 · 01/06/2024 11:07

It's not quite high at all council tax is extortionate, I pay £160 a month on electricity alone, she's likely paying out £400 of that on utilities and council tax then she has car insurance, water, tv licence mobile phone and any credit cards she's forced to use for emergencies such as car maintenance, house repairs or essentials when the money just doesn't stretch.

I know people mean well and hopefully there are some cut backs she can make to scrape by, I honestly hope she wasn't claiming tax free childcare and 15 hours funded or something and she sees this and now she can and life gets abit easier for her. I'm hoping her bill isn't 1800 a month after these things have been used. If it is I would look into a registered child minder instead.

I still think that may be where she can find savings. If she can list her fixed outgoings, and any discounts she's already applied and maybe who she's with/ when she last did a price comparison, people may have suggestions.

Eg - are you claiming the 25% single person discount on council tax OP?

I too really hope that the mumsnet hive mind can help her make savings. I agree that it's really shit that someone earning a top 5% salary - who is paying £1400 a month in income tax and NI and hence is subsiding other people in our society - feels like she's struggling and can't afford a day out with her DC.

Booksandflowers · 01/06/2024 11:14

Once she’s in school you’ll have an extra £1600 to play with - minus wrap around care which won’t be as much. How long til she starts school?

whistleblower99 · 01/06/2024 11:13

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I thought so. Reported. Imagine going on to a thread to personally attack someone and be happy about it.

Mummy2024 · 01/06/2024 11:07

strawberrybubblegum · 01/06/2024 09:58

OP has said she earns £70k.
If she's paying 5% into pension and student loan repayment that means:
Pension £3.5k
Income tax £14k
NI £3.3k
Student loan £4. 5k

Net income: £44.7k
Which is £3725 monthly
Add child benefit £110 gives : £3835 monthly
(assume no child maintenance )

Mortgage and nursery £2500
Leaves £1335 to live on

You said you have £570 after bills, so that means you're spending £765 on fixed bills. Can you break that down? It's quite high, and people might be able to suggest ways to reduce it.

Otherwise, it's a matter of holding on. You've done really well to have a house of your own and such a great salary. It will be worth it once you're through the expensive childcare years!

It's not quite high at all council tax is extortionate, I pay £160 a month on electricity alone, she's likely paying out £400 of that on utilities and council tax then she has car insurance, water, tv licence mobile phone and any credit cards she's forced to use for emergencies such as car maintenance, house repairs or essentials when the money just doesn't stretch.

I know people mean well and hopefully there are some cut backs she can make to scrape by, I honestly hope she wasn't claiming tax free childcare and 15 hours funded or something and she sees this and now she can and life gets abit easier for her. I'm hoping her bill isn't 1800 a month after these things have been used. If it is I would look into a registered child minder instead.

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skyeisthelimit · 01/06/2024 11:05

OP, you say you are mortgaged until you are 70. I had to remortgage due to divorce and was then mortgaged until I was 67. As DD has grown up and I have been able to earn more, I work extra hours and pay extra off the mortgage. Now aged 52, I have only got 10 years left, so have managed to knock 5 years off over the past couple of years.

Like I said in my earlier post, it's a long game.

whistleblower99 · 01/06/2024 11:00

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 10:59

It also forces them out of homeownership into renting. Out of full time jobs that pay high taxes into part time roles and dependency on benefits.
It drags women and children down.

We can't afford this. It's short-sighted and costs the country more in a long run.

It's unbelievable how much better off a married man on 70k would be.

I'm not originally from UK and I was always wondering why the system is so stuck against working mothers and especially succesful single parents.

After spending some time on here it became 💯 clear to me that outdated attitudes and tall poppy syndrome is underneath it all.
God forbit a mother who worked her way up into 5% top salary would be better off then on UC top up . There should be no way out for women according to other women. We should stay at the bottom where we belong and people will never vote for anything to change that.

Now that hard working immigrants are gone and rich investors are leaving UK these toxic attitudes will be keeping UK poorer and less productive. Not to mention young women not wanting to have children in this country.

💯

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 10:59

whistleblower99 · 01/06/2024 10:25

And this. People can’t support people like the op though. It’s too much to support a successful woman. Nothing constructive - pop on to personally attack people and then waltz off again.

It is short term in the grand scheme of things but it is so hard to see the wood for the trees in this situation. It’s what is forcing so many talented women out of the workplace and it is criminal. It doesn’t happen in other countries.

It also forces them out of homeownership into renting. Out of full time jobs that pay high taxes into part time roles and dependency on benefits.
It drags women and children down.

We can't afford this. It's short-sighted and costs the country more in a long run.

It's unbelievable how much better off a married man on 70k would be.

I'm not originally from UK and I was always wondering why the system is so stuck against working mothers and especially succesful single parents.

After spending some time on here it became 💯 clear to me that outdated attitudes and tall poppy syndrome is underneath it all.
God forbit a mother who worked her way up into 5% top salary would be better off then on UC top up . There should be no way out for women according to other women. We should stay at the bottom where we belong and people will never vote for anything to change that.

Now that hard working immigrants are gone and rich investors are leaving UK these toxic attitudes will be keeping UK poorer and less productive. Not to mention young women not wanting to have children in this country.

Mummy2024 · 01/06/2024 10:58

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 10:06

I see it as the primary purpose. It's supposed to be a general pooling of resources.

Yeah and that's all fine and good but OP is expected to pay way more than most into that pool of reasources and take absolutely nothing from it. You think that's fair?

This has opened my eyes massively

Mummy2024 · 01/06/2024 10:53

Temushopper · 01/06/2024 08:38

@ReLOa - it’s always difficult when they are at nursery (more so if you have only one wage). Unless you earn hundreds of thousands the additional cost of childcare is naturally going to be very noticeable. Also really feel for people with young kids currently as everything has risen significantly in cost in past couple of years. Even the best planning of finances ahead of having kids wouldn’t have had you anticipating all those rises at once.

We were easily keeping to a budget of £60 a week for food in 2021 and currently having to take more care on one of £100 a week. It’s definitely challenging for everyone now vs then.

Rubbish though it is now it will be worth sticking it out. In a few years you will no longer have anything like those childcare costs so your disposable income will massively increase. Our wraparound/kids clubs/school trips/holiday childcare averages to about £280/month for each of our kids (they do 4 paid clubs a week in term time, 7-8 weeks in holiday clubs & have a trip away each most years with school or one of their clubs). It might be more where you are but it will be a lot less than £1,600. Also you’ll likely see your salary increase while your mortgage hopefully stays a similar cost, which will help immensely.

For now you could claim Child Benefit for this Tax year and pay back half with your tax return that would give you an extra £50 a month & you’ll have to look at if you can make any savings in all your regular spending to help until the nursery years are done.

Go through all your direct debits and see if anything you could cancel/downgrade options to save money and call and ask internet/mobile provider for a better deal if not on a fixed term or shop around and switch. We’ve recently done our annual review and I got Virgin to switch us to a £20 deal they had for new customers for broadband, moved OH to a new mobile provider, switched packages for Disney+ & cancelled Netflix/Kindle subscriptions. It’s saving us £55/month vs prior year. Most years I find there is something worth tweaking.

Beyond that, rubbish though it is, you just have to accept these are very expensive years and you won’t be able to do as much but keep in mind it’s temporary and that it’s worth keeping going because once those costs are gone you’ll feel the benefit of your salary again.

She doesn't need to pay back half of the child benefit, she's entitled to 80% of it now the rules changed recently. I'm really really hoping she's either all ready doing it or she's been back to read the helpful advice

whistleblower99 · 01/06/2024 10:25

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 10:22

Can people stop throwing 70k as if OP really had that money? After childcare costs OP will be left on actual salary closer to someone on 35k not 70k.

Even on 35k, a family with 2 kids like yours will be entitled to UC (even as homeowners), will have no £1700 a month childcare costs. Will be entitled to double tax free allowance and full child benefit. Stay at home mum means there is someone to look after kids when they get sick rather then having to take unpaid time off work etc.
It means family on 35k could easily end up better off then single parent on 70k paying full time childcare costs and not receiving same support as married couple. The system is discriminatory towards single parents.

And OP didn't moan that she's the poorest person in UK so I really don't understand all those post competing to the bottom. What is your point?

Someone who is in top 5% salary in demanding professional job should be better off then posters on lower salaries getting UC on top shouldn't they?

What if OP had two children like you? Do you realise she then would have to quit her job and would be better off working part time and getting benefits then staying in her well paying career with 2 sets of childcare costs?

It's not right.

And this. People can’t support people like the op though. It’s too much to support a successful woman. Nothing constructive - pop on to personally attack people and then waltz off again.

It is short term in the grand scheme of things but it is so hard to see the wood for the trees in this situation. It’s what is forcing so many talented women out of the workplace and it is criminal. It doesn’t happen in other countries.

Itsthedress · 01/06/2024 10:25

How exactly do the individuals who find it difficult to live on £70k imagine people on £20k manage?

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 10:22

Vettrianofan · 31/05/2024 20:35

DH is on a fraction of 70k salary, I don't work and we manage okay.

Two adults two teens two primary aged DC.

You cut your cloth accordingly.

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Can people stop throwing 70k as if OP really had that money? After childcare costs OP will be left on actual salary closer to someone on 35k not 70k.

Even on 35k, a family with 2 kids like yours will be entitled to UC (even as homeowners), will have no £1700 a month childcare costs. Will be entitled to double tax free allowance and full child benefit. Stay at home mum means there is someone to look after kids when they get sick rather then having to take unpaid time off work etc.
It means family on 35k could easily end up better off then single parent on 70k paying full time childcare costs and not receiving same support as married couple. The system is discriminatory towards single parents.

And OP didn't moan that she's the poorest person in UK so I really don't understand all those post competing to the bottom. What is your point?

Someone who is in top 5% salary in demanding professional job should be better off then posters on lower salaries getting UC on top shouldn't they?

What if OP had two children like you? Do you realise she then would have to quit her job and would be better off working part time and getting benefits then staying in her well paying career with 2 sets of childcare costs?

It's not right.

whistleblower99 · 01/06/2024 10:19

ThisOldThang · 01/06/2024 10:01

I disagree.

That's simply the mantra / attempted guilt-trip of those that expect others to provide for them.

Social welfare is a nice thing to have, if the country can afford it, but it certainly isn't the primary purpose of taxation.

This.

Saltyswee · 01/06/2024 10:18

ThisOldThang · 01/06/2024 10:01

I disagree.

That's simply the mantra / attempted guilt-trip of those that expect others to provide for them.

Social welfare is a nice thing to have, if the country can afford it, but it certainly isn't the primary purpose of taxation.

i agree with @ThisOldThang

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I know you can see my posting history. So tell me what constructive advice do you have for the op or did you just post on the thread to personally attack me. Just to clarify.

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Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 10:06

ThisOldThang · 01/06/2024 10:01

I disagree.

That's simply the mantra / attempted guilt-trip of those that expect others to provide for them.

Social welfare is a nice thing to have, if the country can afford it, but it certainly isn't the primary purpose of taxation.

I see it as the primary purpose. It's supposed to be a general pooling of resources.

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