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To wonder what’s the point when I’m left with this after bills?

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ReLOa · 31/05/2024 16:01

In a stressful job and single parent to nursery age child. I have 570 left after all bills and childcare and petrol, excluding food. What is the actual point in this?! We can’t do much at weekends and holidays are out of the question. I’m supposedly in a highly paid job (earn 70k) and I feel like giving up. Just been paid and looking ahead at the month I’ve already had to turn down some things like an adventure park day with friends as it was 28 pounds entry and a 35 mile round trip. I feel like I’m failing yet not sure what more I can possibly do?!

OP posts:
FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 31/05/2024 17:30

It's a push during the nursery years but if you stick through it then your childcare costs reduce, you've been in the role and progressing so your salary may increase and then you'll find yourself with much more disposable income.

Cbljgdpk · 31/05/2024 17:25

I think what probably feels hard OP is that before DC you were used to a lot more disposable income so it made work feel more like it was worth it. I would say the point now is that you’re paying into your mortgage and you’re keeping going in a career which are both long term goals. What’s the alternative really? Don’t work and then you can’t pay into a mortgage and you don’t have a career to go back to when nursery fees are no longer a concern?
Im confused though even with the high nursery and mortgage where does everything else go as the numbers don’t really add up

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 17:23

It would take me over 3 years to make your annual salary.

isn’t that below minimum wage?

Fairyliz · 31/05/2024 17:23

Your child is at nursery, they don’t need an adventure park day and will not remember it.
Get out to the local park with a picnic they will have just as much fun.

bridgetreilly · 31/05/2024 17:20

Well, the point is to pay your bills so that your child is looked after and you have a roof over your heads, in a house you can keep warm and dry, with enough to eat. If you didn’t have that income, you wouldn't have the things you do.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 31/05/2024 17:18

Gently, OP, you're being ridiculous. You are not failing because you can't afford a day at an adventure park. You own a home, you're paying your bills, and you're feeding your child. I'm sure you can find plenty of free/cheap stuff to do at weekends - a nursery aged child does not need expensive days out.
Stop comparing yourself to your friends.

DaisyChain505 · 31/05/2024 17:17

It would take me over 3 years to make your annual salary.

Give your head a shake and put your life into perspective.

Graciiee · 31/05/2024 17:14

£70k is the same as a couple each earning £30.5k. Suddenly people wouldn't call you a high earning household then....

But anyways OP, the point is you are buying a house that in the future you will own. The childcare bill is only temporary and that's what's crippling you. You're in a very fortunate position as far as being a single parent goes, as most single parents can't afford to run all of what you do without a second wage.

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 17:12

God can people not let someone have a moan and a rant

Apparently not, unless you’re poor but of course someone who is poor in the UK is still rich vs other parts of the world so basically no one can ever moan.

Beezknees · 31/05/2024 17:09

You have to view childcare as a temporary evil.

I earn less than half what you do, but I have about £1000 per month disposable income because I have no childcare costs any more. It doesn't last forever.

Spirallingdownwards · 31/05/2024 17:09

sweetkitty · 31/05/2024 16:50

I’m assuming you get Child Benefit?
Single Occupancy Council Tax Discount?
Child Maintenance for DC father? In an ideal world he should be paying half the nursery fees as his salary won’t have been compromised by having a DC. Why does childcare always seem as the woman’s expense I.e. coming out of the woman’s salary? Surely we need to get away from this, it should be a JOINT cost because the man cannot work without childcare either? Sorry that just annoys me, so unless your DCs father is looking after him 2 1/2 days a week he should be paying half the fees.

No she earns over the child benefit threshold and as you say legally any father doesn't have to pay nursery fees at all.

She hasn't mentioned a father and potentially that would be a way to increase income if she isn't receiving maintenance.

Brainded · 31/05/2024 17:08

God can people not let someone have a moan and a rant. Maybe @ReLOa is having a bad day/week. The feelings are valid! @ReLOa im a new single parent on just over 40k and although I have no childcare I have a high rent. I have savings of quite a bit and yet I still worry. It’s ok to worry and despair. I hope you see the light soon.

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 17:08

I’m about to go to my friend’s house - she’s a single mum with 4dc earning a school TA salary. I can only imagine her reaction to this thread.

Do you think her housing & childcare costs are in line with the OP?

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 17:07

The point of work is to be able to pay your bills. Which you can, with lots left over.

That doesn’t make sense, lots of people don’t earn enough despite working to pay their bills?

Spirallingdownwards · 31/05/2024 17:07

TeenLifeMum · 31/05/2024 16:52

I had 3 dc in nursery and fuel was crazy expensive in that period (similar to prices now). Interest rates were over 5%. Her mortgage is very similar.

The majority of households have lower income than op, even 2 people households. I just think people are so unaware on this site and feel worse of than everyone else. I’m about to go to my friend’s house - she’s a single mum with 4dc earning a school TA salary. I can only imagine her reaction to this thread.

Your friend will be entitled to all sorts of benefits that OP went access and you may actually find your friend is better off disposable income wise.

atticstage · 31/05/2024 17:07

ReLOa · 31/05/2024 17:03

i don’t understand the point in work when this is my take home. Food and nappies and days out and clothes all on 570 a month? It’s not possible and it feels pointless slogging my guts out all week

The point of work is to be able to pay your bills. Which you can, with lots left over.

daffodilandtulip · 31/05/2024 17:06

ComtesseDeSpair · 31/05/2024 16:45

There’s this bizarre dichotomy on MN whereby if somebody on benefits says they only have £120 a week left after their rent and bills to cover absolutely everything else the household needs and they daren’t even think about Christmas because the idea of not being able to treat their DC makes them cry, everyone rages about disgusting the Tories are for thinking anyone can live on such a pittance and how awful life is for them; yet when somebody not on benefits says they only have the same amount to do the same, everyone rages about them not knowing they’re born and tells them how lucky they are to eat more than beans on toast.

Nobody gets 70k on benefits

Spirallingdownwards · 31/05/2024 17:05

RedHelenB · 31/05/2024 16:30

70k is a good dual income so I can't see why you can't afford any treats on that salary

Sole income so taxed more

ReLOa · 31/05/2024 17:03

i don’t understand the point in work when this is my take home. Food and nappies and days out and clothes all on 570 a month? It’s not possible and it feels pointless slogging my guts out all week

OP posts:
Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 17:00

The majority of households have lower income than op, even 2 people households.. That doesn’t mean the OP is better off, that’s just a measure of
PAYE income whereas loads have other income streams and many have lower housing costs.

I just don’t understand the race to the bottom personally.

TeenLifeMum · 31/05/2024 16:52

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 16:43

Seriously, people’s expectations are ridiculous. When I had my dc I earned 18k and dh £32k, our mortgage was £850 a month (in 2008). Yes, it was tight but we budgeted and I went back to full time once dc were in juniors to get my career back on track. Nursery is such a small part of life but it’s expensive short term. I don’t think you realise how lucky you are.

@TeenLifeMum But 50k in 2008 is more like 80k in todays money so more than the OP and take home would be higher as it was two earners vs one.

I had 3 dc in nursery and fuel was crazy expensive in that period (similar to prices now). Interest rates were over 5%. Her mortgage is very similar.

The majority of households have lower income than op, even 2 people households. I just think people are so unaware on this site and feel worse of than everyone else. I’m about to go to my friend’s house - she’s a single mum with 4dc earning a school TA salary. I can only imagine her reaction to this thread.

sweetkitty · 31/05/2024 16:50

I’m assuming you get Child Benefit?
Single Occupancy Council Tax Discount?
Child Maintenance for DC father? In an ideal world he should be paying half the nursery fees as his salary won’t have been compromised by having a DC. Why does childcare always seem as the woman’s expense I.e. coming out of the woman’s salary? Surely we need to get away from this, it should be a JOINT cost because the man cannot work without childcare either? Sorry that just annoys me, so unless your DCs father is looking after him 2 1/2 days a week he should be paying half the fees.

something2say · 31/05/2024 16:48

Are you kidding right now???

I'm.in care. I have £200 left if I'm lucky. I'm happy with that. Everything I like doing is free.

£570 and you still haven't got enough!!!! Jeez!!!

Doyoumind · 31/05/2024 16:47

ComtesseDeSpair · 31/05/2024 16:45

There’s this bizarre dichotomy on MN whereby if somebody on benefits says they only have £120 a week left after their rent and bills to cover absolutely everything else the household needs and they daren’t even think about Christmas because the idea of not being able to treat their DC makes them cry, everyone rages about disgusting the Tories are for thinking anyone can live on such a pittance and how awful life is for them; yet when somebody not on benefits says they only have the same amount to do the same, everyone rages about them not knowing they’re born and tells them how lucky they are to eat more than beans on toast.

But OP's situation will be very short lived, not long term.

Pollipops1 · 31/05/2024 16:46

@ComtesseDeSpair yep!