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To wonder what’s the point when I’m left with this after bills?

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ReLOa · 31/05/2024 16:01

In a stressful job and single parent to nursery age child. I have 570 left after all bills and childcare and petrol, excluding food. What is the actual point in this?! We can’t do much at weekends and holidays are out of the question. I’m supposedly in a highly paid job (earn 70k) and I feel like giving up. Just been paid and looking ahead at the month I’ve already had to turn down some things like an adventure park day with friends as it was 28 pounds entry and a 35 mile round trip. I feel like I’m failing yet not sure what more I can possibly do?!

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Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:48

Beezknees · 31/05/2024 20:11

Who buys cleaning products every week though? I haven't bought any this week. Pets are a luxury as well, not a necessity. It's about choices some times.

She's a top rate tax payer!!! She shouldn't be placed in a position that leaves her scrimping and scraping. I was against the raising of the 40% tax rate, initially after seeing this post and the comments on it I've changed my mind. I hope it gets raised to 70k for people like this poor woman

Bjorkdidit · 31/05/2024 22:47

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:38

Washing powder is £6 and that's for a small box, nappies are £10, wipes are like £5 bubble bath £3.00 for a decent radox dishwasher tablets are about £6.00 aswell so that's £29 and I'm in a less expensive part of the country.

I don't know about the nappies (someone upthread said £5-10 pw) but those other prices are for enough of those things to last 1-2 months not things that need to be bought every week.

In Aldi 37 dishwasher tablets are £4
You can get a shower gel in any shop for £1-2
Wipes are a couple of quid a pack, and it would be much cheaper to use reusable ones anyway. If someone is using £5 of wipes a week they need to look at what the fuck they are doing with them.

Theselovelylightevenings · 31/05/2024 22:47

@44PumpLane Thats £142 a week, so after a food shop, it doesn’t leave much

CammoMammo · 31/05/2024 22:46

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:44

By the way she's being penalised because as a single mother she is only entitled to 12500 pounds tax free, if it was a couple earning 35k each they would have 25,000 tax free between them. They would also be lower tier tax payers, Same for child benefit she would be entitled to full child benefit in the above situation.

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Exactly. She’d be over a grand a month better off.

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:44

TuesdayWhistler · 31/05/2024 21:32

How is she being penalised?

She's choosing what to spend her salary on.

She's choosing the nursery.
She's choosing the house she lives in.
She's choosing the car she drives, phone she has, insurance products, how much she pays for a pension.

She's not struggling, she's not broke, she's spending her salary on what she chooses to.

Now... If she was forced to buy nothing but essentials.. LIKE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.. and she had nothing left at the end, then maybe it'd be different.

If she's getting £4200 a month.
Choosing to pay
£150 for Sky
£100 for an iPhone
£250 for a car
£80 a month for a.gym
£500 a month to a pension
Etc and.etc

That's on her.

If she's spending £10 on bubble bath every month. That's on her.

If you can't live a good life with £4200 a month, that money is going somewhere.

By the way she's being penalised because as a single mother she is only entitled to 12500 pounds tax free, if it was a couple earning 35k each they would have 25,000 tax free between them. They would also be lower tier tax payers, Same for child benefit she would be entitled to full child benefit in the above situation.

CammoMammo · 31/05/2024 22:42

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:38

Washing powder is £6 and that's for a small box, nappies are £10, wipes are like £5 bubble bath £3.00 for a decent radox dishwasher tablets are about £6.00 aswell so that's £29 and I'm in a less expensive part of the country.

Are you buying gold-plated wipes? They’re 70p in Tesco and Boots.

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:42

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:20

They've changed their mind but I've seen what you mean, they were worried there would not be enough places so your right they were critical of it, my appologies

Oh have they changed their minds?
Don't get me wrong, some of their points were valid. That saying they didn't seem to have any alternative and said childcare is not their "priority "
I'm glad things are changing even though it won't benefit me.

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:40

Swiftea · 31/05/2024 22:37

OP - you have my sympathy. The Tories have dramatically increased taxes on working people and the removal of child benefit is vindictive and counter-productive.

It will get better after nursery/school, but for now the amount you have to live on is shit. Hang in there, it does get better.

She is entitled to child benefit she will lose 20% that's all, I just hope she acctually comes back to see it. She's been shamed and talked down to by numerous posters. Made me so sad for her tbh.

Bjorkdidit · 31/05/2024 22:39

People keep saying the OP won't get child benefit but that's not true any more.

She'll probably keep about 70% or so of it depending on pension contributions.

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:38

Bjorkdidit · 31/05/2024 22:35

Well if that's how you slosh your money about, no wonder you're struggling.

That lot shouldn't cost £40 pm let alone £40 pw. What on earth are you buying and doing with £40 for those things every week?

Washing powder is £6 and that's for a small box, nappies are £10, wipes are like £5 bubble bath £3.00 for a decent radox dishwasher tablets are about £6.00 aswell so that's £29 and I'm in a less expensive part of the country.

Swiftea · 31/05/2024 22:37

OP - you have my sympathy. The Tories have dramatically increased taxes on working people and the removal of child benefit is vindictive and counter-productive.

It will get better after nursery/school, but for now the amount you have to live on is shit. Hang in there, it does get better.

LumiB · 31/05/2024 22:37

ReLOa · 31/05/2024 19:10

@Ithinktomyselfwhatawonderfulworld how?! Washing powder, bubble bath, nappies, wipes, dishwasher tablets… that’s already the best part of 40 quid a week?

How are you getting through all that in a week! You must be buying small boxes if you are. I mean washing powder is what about £6-£8 for 48 washes. You seriously cannot be doing 48 washes in one week! Or in one month either. Thay washing powder should last you at least 2 months and that's based on doing one wash a day!

Same with dishwasher tablets, I get.mine from Aldi, about £6 or less for over 40 tablets, if you really use it everyday thats still £6 for a month not a week.

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:36

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:16

Didn't they want to fully fund childcare, I will have a quick Google but I really don't think this is the case.

I watched them in Parliament. They were openly against 30 hours roll out. Both times. They did mention keeping free hours only for vulnerable children and people on low income tho.
They talk about childcare but have no plan for it whatsoever. According to them there is no money -as if it made any fiscal sense to stop people from working and paying taxes.
Of course it could change. Things are not set in stone.

Bjorkdidit · 31/05/2024 22:35

ReLOa · 31/05/2024 19:10

@Ithinktomyselfwhatawonderfulworld how?! Washing powder, bubble bath, nappies, wipes, dishwasher tablets… that’s already the best part of 40 quid a week?

Well if that's how you slosh your money about, no wonder you're struggling.

That lot shouldn't cost £40 pm let alone £40 pw. What on earth are you buying and doing with £40 for those things every week?

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:35

CammoMammo · 31/05/2024 22:19

I’m not in London either but a 2-bed semi will set you back £260k, and that is miles cheaper than London.

A £250k mortgage over 35 years will set you back £1100 a month. She could have been 35 when she took the mortgage out, meaning 70 when it’s paid off. .

I'm in the north of England, we are basicly known as the poor cousin 😆 but we get better priced houses, lower priced childcare and a reduced cost of living. Opportunity's are less here and wages lower but not that much lower, that we don't benefit from the reduced cost of living. House prices have doubled here now though. Before covid they were half the price i stated above.

Brainded · 31/05/2024 22:32

WalkingonWheels · 31/05/2024 21:55

I think I'm severely disabled and my health limits what I can do 👍

Well then with all due respect @WalkingonWheels mentioning your phd etc and stating you were on 26k was not a true representation of your situation!!?

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:20

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:01

So basically if you haven't heard about something it's not true ?
Labour was extremely critical of 30 hours for working parents and they were strongly opposed to it's extention to younger children.

UC does pay 85% childcare costs but not on all childcare costs. Precisely it's 85% on up to £1,014.63. Full time nursery costs at least £2000 a month where I am (not in london).

Even if you take into account 30 hours it's sometimes impossible to spread them over the year. That means single parent will end up with many weeks of inflated costs which could leave them worse off.

They've changed their mind but I've seen what you mean, they were worried there would not be enough places so your right they were critical of it, my appologies

To wonder what’s the point when I’m left with this after bills?
CammoMammo · 31/05/2024 22:19

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:07

For a semi where i am nothing special its about 160 and for a terraced about 115. Its not the monthly amount that makes me think shes in london its the length of the mortgage. Either shes already 40 or shes had to entend the length of the mortgage as its a very highly priced house.

I’m not in London either but a 2-bed semi will set you back £260k, and that is miles cheaper than London.

A £250k mortgage over 35 years will set you back £1100 a month. She could have been 35 when she took the mortgage out, meaning 70 when it’s paid off. .

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:17

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:01

So basically if you haven't heard about something it's not true ?
Labour was extremely critical of 30 hours for working parents and they were strongly opposed to it's extention to younger children.

UC does pay 85% childcare costs but not on all childcare costs. Precisely it's 85% on up to £1,014.63. Full time nursery costs at least £2000 a month where I am (not in london).

Even if you take into account 30 hours it's sometimes impossible to spread them over the year. That means single parent will end up with many weeks of inflated costs which could leave them worse off.

Yes but the 30 hours free reduces it even further so it's more than 50% as both can be used together

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:16

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:01

So basically if you haven't heard about something it's not true ?
Labour was extremely critical of 30 hours for working parents and they were strongly opposed to it's extention to younger children.

UC does pay 85% childcare costs but not on all childcare costs. Precisely it's 85% on up to £1,014.63. Full time nursery costs at least £2000 a month where I am (not in london).

Even if you take into account 30 hours it's sometimes impossible to spread them over the year. That means single parent will end up with many weeks of inflated costs which could leave them worse off.

Didn't they want to fully fund childcare, I will have a quick Google but I really don't think this is the case.

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:10

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 21:46

She pays £2700 of it to a nursery and mortgage, so your saying she should opt out of a pension that I can afford to pay and have a terrible retirement, instead of getting the help she rightfully deserves? Should she keep paying for all of us, whilst she has nothing? Does that sound right to you? She's left with £1500 to pay everything else, that's if she doesn't have student loans... and that's without a pension. Somehow I don't think she's paying £250 for a car and £150 for sky, but given the eye watering tax and ni she pays, she should be able to it's scandalous that she can't

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You can't get through with logic to people who engage in emotional reasoning.

It doesn't matter OP is high tax payer who instead of being motivated feels like quitting her job. What matters is she's a spoilt brat who is "choosing to pay for nursery ". 😅

The more time I spend on MN and witness the prevailing resentment and hate towards anyone aiming for anything, lack of any comprehension of economy and taxation, short-sightedness which doesn't allow for any forward thinking or seeing a big picture, the more I understand why this country is in such a mess.

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:10

Sparklybutold · 31/05/2024 22:08

@ReLOa I completely empathise OP. CoL has meant that what was affordable and within budget is no longer the case. It is depressing and leaves me feeling extremely vulnerable. The financial book also stops at me so I have no one to turn too plus on paper, our income is too high to receive any help. My job is too support people, many in dire situations, and I find myself having to use every ounce of strength to leave my worries elsewhere so I can focus on them.

Gosh I'm so sorry your left feeling like this, I hope things get better for you soon.

Sparklybutold · 31/05/2024 22:08

@ReLOa I completely empathise OP. CoL has meant that what was affordable and within budget is no longer the case. It is depressing and leaves me feeling extremely vulnerable. The financial book also stops at me so I have no one to turn too plus on paper, our income is too high to receive any help. My job is too support people, many in dire situations, and I find myself having to use every ounce of strength to leave my worries elsewhere so I can focus on them.

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 22:07

Babyboomtastic · 31/05/2024 21:51

Ok, you're either in a very very cheap area, or haven't taken on a mortgage recently and haven't seen how much it costs now.

For a 30 year mortgage at the moment, including a 10% deposit, you're looking at a £200k property if you want to pay about £900 a month (what the OP pays).

In my not hugely expensive (comparitively) area, that equates to a 2 bedroom flat or v budget 2 bed terrace. Not recent indulgent for a mum and child.

In somewhere like Bristol, again similar. In Birmingham you can get a rough small 3 bed or a nice 2 bed for that.

Regardless, it's certainly not a London level mortgage.

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For a semi where i am nothing special its about 160 and for a terraced about 115. Its not the monthly amount that makes me think shes in london its the length of the mortgage. Either shes already 40 or shes had to entend the length of the mortgage as its a very highly priced house.

Bibi12 · 31/05/2024 22:01

Mummy2024 · 31/05/2024 21:38

No uc does not calculate half of the childcare. They pay 85%. As far as I'm aware there has been no criticism of funded hours by labour either. The majority of your post is incorrect.

When your a working couple not entitled to UC, your correct sometimes the cost of childcare out weighs the benefits of working more. When entitled to claim childcare on UC which is anyone earning under £40,000 either alone or as a couple you get 85% paid.

Now with funded hours most mums should be able to work 30 hours from 2 years old.

So basically if you haven't heard about something it's not true ?
Labour was extremely critical of 30 hours for working parents and they were strongly opposed to it's extention to younger children.

UC does pay 85% childcare costs but not on all childcare costs. Precisely it's 85% on up to £1,014.63. Full time nursery costs at least £2000 a month where I am (not in london).

Even if you take into account 30 hours it's sometimes impossible to spread them over the year. That means single parent will end up with many weeks of inflated costs which could leave them worse off.