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... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2024 22:11

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Chatonette · 05/06/2024 12:13

@Bullpuckey

Honestly not reason enough for me to vote Biden. Plan B can be bought over the counter for like, 40 dollars. Much cheaper than an abortion.

Women in Louisiana can only get emergency contraception if they have been the victim of a "sexually-oriented criminal offense”. Other states are in the process of following this precedent, therefore OTC Plan B will not be an option for women.

Elective abortions are not healthcare, this is a very British way of thinking. It is a service you can pay for and it is much cheaper than actually having a child you can’t afford.

But it’s not a “service you can pay for” in Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, or West Virginia. Those women cannot pay for the service because abortions are illegal where they live.

Bullpuckey · 05/06/2024 11:25

barleyrice · 05/06/2024 07:30

Trump entered office with a strong economy. He essentially just didn’t fuck it up (until Covid, which it would be unfair to blame on him).

But he fucked up so supremely during Covid that millions of Americans died hideous and unnecessary deaths, after listening to idiots like him downplaying the virus, and making ludicrous treatment suggestions that they followed.

Nothing Trump did or did not do mattered. Look at Sweden — very light restrictions and just about the same as any other country. The restrictions did nothing … lockdowns didn’t work, masks didn’t work, shutting down schools didn’t work.

Tbh I was unhappy with Trump criticizing the Georgia governor for relaxing restrictions too early (still voted for him tho)

Bullpuckey · 05/06/2024 11:21

Project 2025 details extensive plans to dismantle climate protections, and to increase the use of fossil fuels. Agencies researching climate change would be downsized

I am fine with this. Fossil fuels are essential for human thriving. Of
course if they meant building nuclear power plants, I’d be all for it but it always means inefficient wind and solar.

On reproductive rights the project sets out a plan to stop emergency contraception being covered by the ACA, and to reject the categorisation of abortion as healthcare (meaning it would no longer be covered by EMTALA)

Honestly not reason enough for me to vote Biden. Plan B can be bought over the counter for like, 40 dollars. Much cheaper than an abortion.

Elective abortions are not healthcare, this is a very British way of thinking. It is a service you can pay for and it is much cheaper than actually having a child you can’t afford.

Re: mass deportations - I know Trump was very keen to dismantle the DACA protections, which apply to those bought to the US without documentation as infants and children. Are these some of the people - many of who've grown up knowing no home except the US, many of whom will have US born children of their own now - that you want to see rounded up and held in internment camps then permanently deported to countries many of them have never even visited before?

You have to maintain a hard line with immigration or people will always seek to bend the rules. DACA are not citizens, their parents have known this and failed to prepare them for life in their home country. How is this America’s fault? Why should we accept them, when that will only incentivize others to make the same choice down the line?

Nanaof1 · 05/06/2024 08:45

barleyrice · 05/06/2024 07:30

Trump entered office with a strong economy. He essentially just didn’t fuck it up (until Covid, which it would be unfair to blame on him).

But he fucked up so supremely during Covid that millions of Americans died hideous and unnecessary deaths, after listening to idiots like him downplaying the virus, and making ludicrous treatment suggestions that they followed.

How many Americans died? Don't forget there were idiots in both parties, like Pelosi and de Blasio.

SerendipityJane · 05/06/2024 07:54

barleyrice · 05/06/2024 07:30

Trump entered office with a strong economy. He essentially just didn’t fuck it up (until Covid, which it would be unfair to blame on him).

But he fucked up so supremely during Covid that millions of Americans died hideous and unnecessary deaths, after listening to idiots like him downplaying the virus, and making ludicrous treatment suggestions that they followed.

Some would call that natural selection (except a lot of them had already passed their genes on.)

The only way evolution can deal with a species that generates stupid mature resource hogging individuals, is for it to slowly impact on the birth rate until the species becomes extinct. And disallow stupid immature individuals from reaching maturity.

What do folk think is happening right now ?

barleyrice · 05/06/2024 07:30

Trump entered office with a strong economy. He essentially just didn’t fuck it up (until Covid, which it would be unfair to blame on him).

But he fucked up so supremely during Covid that millions of Americans died hideous and unnecessary deaths, after listening to idiots like him downplaying the virus, and making ludicrous treatment suggestions that they followed.

AmpleFatball · 05/06/2024 04:31

Bullpuckey · 04/06/2024 11:05

Not entirely sure what it’s about tbh and given it was a project of the Heritage Foundation, I’m not sure about it.

We had four years of each candidate, and I very much preferred the Trump years. Strong economy and self-sufficiency in oil production.

Beyond the economy, I am also very concerned about border security and am hoping mass deportation will be implemented.

I voted for him in 2020 (not 2016 as I hated both candidates at the time) and will do so again

Trump entered office with a strong economy. He essentially just didn’t fuck it up (until Covid, which it would be unfair to blame on him).

Biden came into office amid the fallout of Covid and, while the US wasn’t immune from the worldwide inflation issue, it navigated it more successfully than any other major country and now has the fastest growing economy in the world.

I am very aware of Biden’s shortcomings as a candidate but whereas Trump did fine on that front, in very easy times, Biden’s administration has done remarkably well in difficult times.

Nanaof1 · 05/06/2024 04:04

poetryandwine · 04/06/2024 15:01

Pres Biden is expected to sign today an Executive Order allowing him to seal the border whenever the number of illegal crossings exceeds 2500 per day. It is at that level now.

It is said that he plans to include a proviso that when the number of illegal crossings is below 1500 the border will be open to asylum seekers

Pres Trump only built a few metres of a border wall at an outrageous cost. He was all bluster

2500 x 365= 912,500 Then add in the thousands/month who sneak in without stopping at the checkpoints and the other people from around the world who want to come here for asylum, family, terrorism, war....

How are they supposed to be taken care of when we cannot even feed and house the ones already here that are in poverty or homeless? We cannot take care of our veterans, but let's have another few million a year and then whine about the taxes and COL. smdh

Nanaof1 · 05/06/2024 03:54

greengreyblue · 31/05/2024 07:56

I’m baffled that in such a vast country, the best they can offer is Biden or Trump.

Yeah, and imagine how we feel?
Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber shouldn't be choices for dogcatcher, let alone President.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2024 15:09

poetryandwine · 04/06/2024 15:01

Pres Biden is expected to sign today an Executive Order allowing him to seal the border whenever the number of illegal crossings exceeds 2500 per day. It is at that level now.

It is said that he plans to include a proviso that when the number of illegal crossings is below 1500 the border will be open to asylum seekers

Pres Trump only built a few metres of a border wall at an outrageous cost. He was all bluster

How does he physically do it though?

What has he put in place to stop people crossing the desert etc?

poetryandwine · 04/06/2024 15:01

Pres Biden is expected to sign today an Executive Order allowing him to seal the border whenever the number of illegal crossings exceeds 2500 per day. It is at that level now.

It is said that he plans to include a proviso that when the number of illegal crossings is below 1500 the border will be open to asylum seekers

Pres Trump only built a few metres of a border wall at an outrageous cost. He was all bluster

EasternStandard · 04/06/2024 14:24

poetryandwine · 04/06/2024 13:10

The US has remained a net exporter of energy since 2019.

President Biden is currently seeking the power to seal the border with Mexico. It will be ver interesting to see whether the Republicans attempt to impede him on this

How is he sealing the border?

Is that the same as Trump suggested earlier or something different

izimbra · 04/06/2024 13:37

Bullpuckey · 04/06/2024 11:05

Not entirely sure what it’s about tbh and given it was a project of the Heritage Foundation, I’m not sure about it.

We had four years of each candidate, and I very much preferred the Trump years. Strong economy and self-sufficiency in oil production.

Beyond the economy, I am also very concerned about border security and am hoping mass deportation will be implemented.

I voted for him in 2020 (not 2016 as I hated both candidates at the time) and will do so again

Re: the economy - inflation and cost of living has been a problem across the developed world since the economy reopened fully following COVID.

Wonder what you think Trump would have done differently to Biden to reduce inflation?

izimbra · 04/06/2024 13:30

Bullpuckey · 04/06/2024 11:05

Not entirely sure what it’s about tbh and given it was a project of the Heritage Foundation, I’m not sure about it.

We had four years of each candidate, and I very much preferred the Trump years. Strong economy and self-sufficiency in oil production.

Beyond the economy, I am also very concerned about border security and am hoping mass deportation will be implemented.

I voted for him in 2020 (not 2016 as I hated both candidates at the time) and will do so again

I find it concerning that Trump's relationship with the architects of 2025 and the Heritage Foundation is being discussed widely by many reputable academic and news sources - has been for several years - and yet there are committed Trump supporters who aren't aware of it.

The project doesn't completely rely on a Trump victory, but a Trump victory would be hugely helpful for accelerating its radical agenda.

Project 2025 details extensive plans to dismantle climate protections, and to increase the use of fossil fuels. Agencies researching climate change would be downsized. Quote "The 920-page blueprint aims to cut “every regulation or anything, including the federal science itself, that goes toward fighting climate change and reducing U.S. emissions,”

On LGBTQ rights the project sets out detailed plans about removing protections against discrimination based on sexual and gender identity.

On reproductive rights the project sets out a plan to stop emergency contraception being covered by the ACA, and to reject the categorisation of abortion as healthcare (meaning it would no longer be covered by EMTALA)

Really encourage you to learn more about it.
https://washingtonspectator.org/project-2025-the-latest-plot-against-america/

Re: mass deportations - I know Trump was very keen to dismantle the DACA protections, which apply to those bought to the US without documentation as infants and children. Are these some of the people - many of who've grown up knowing no home except the US, many of whom will have US born children of their own now - that you want to see rounded up and held in internment camps then permanently deported to countries many of them have never even visited before?

On the left, Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation and former President of Wyoming Catholic College, whose forward for Project 2025 includes a full-bore attack on LGBTQ and reproductive rights. And on the right, Charles Koch, 14th richest...

Project 2025: The Latest Plot Against America

“Project 2025” has been winning an increasing amount of attention in its own right, but it’s actually the opening salvo of “The 2025 Presidential Transition Project.” This comprehensive playbook was produced under the auspices of the Heritage Foundatio...

https://washingtonspectator.org/project-2025-the-latest-plot-against-america

poetryandwine · 04/06/2024 13:10

Bullpuckey · 04/06/2024 11:05

Not entirely sure what it’s about tbh and given it was a project of the Heritage Foundation, I’m not sure about it.

We had four years of each candidate, and I very much preferred the Trump years. Strong economy and self-sufficiency in oil production.

Beyond the economy, I am also very concerned about border security and am hoping mass deportation will be implemented.

I voted for him in 2020 (not 2016 as I hated both candidates at the time) and will do so again

The US has remained a net exporter of energy since 2019.

President Biden is currently seeking the power to seal the border with Mexico. It will be ver interesting to see whether the Republicans attempt to impede him on this

Bullpuckey · 04/06/2024 11:05

Not entirely sure what it’s about tbh and given it was a project of the Heritage Foundation, I’m not sure about it.

We had four years of each candidate, and I very much preferred the Trump years. Strong economy and self-sufficiency in oil production.

Beyond the economy, I am also very concerned about border security and am hoping mass deportation will be implemented.

I voted for him in 2020 (not 2016 as I hated both candidates at the time) and will do so again

izimbra · 04/06/2024 10:25

Bullpuckey · 03/06/2024 06:00

Given that he’s told us that he wants to change the Constitution to remove term limits, I worry that he won’t ever leave and 2024 will be the last free and fair election. What is your take on this?

I am not concerned about this. He’s close to 80 and I really doubt he’d stick it out for longer. He already looked very tired at his appearance at that MMA tournament the other day.

Although I wouldn’t be against the removal of term limits in theory, it was only put in after FDR’s three terms, since iirc two terms was always more of a gentlemen’s agreement in the first place.

BUT my preference is a two term limit since it kinda ends up handing power to the other team for a bit.

As someone who supports Trump, what are your thoughts on project 2025?

Bullpuckey · 03/06/2024 06:00

Given that he’s told us that he wants to change the Constitution to remove term limits, I worry that he won’t ever leave and 2024 will be the last free and fair election. What is your take on this?

I am not concerned about this. He’s close to 80 and I really doubt he’d stick it out for longer. He already looked very tired at his appearance at that MMA tournament the other day.

Although I wouldn’t be against the removal of term limits in theory, it was only put in after FDR’s three terms, since iirc two terms was always more of a gentlemen’s agreement in the first place.

BUT my preference is a two term limit since it kinda ends up handing power to the other team for a bit.

Chatonette · 03/06/2024 05:50

Honest question, @Bullpuckey: lots of us are concerned that Trump won’t ever leave once re-elected. Given that he’s told us that he wants to change the Constitution to remove term limits, I worry that he won’t ever leave and 2024 will be the last free and fair election. What is your take on this?

Bullpuckey · 03/06/2024 05:41

Well I am still voting for Trump as is my entire family back home. We had four years of Trump and four years of Biden and I know which I prefer, if we’re being honest.

Nanaof1 · 03/06/2024 05:35

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/06/2024 22:06

You have to have many millions at your disposal to run for president

So true, @verdibird, and as said earlier I suspect the things they have to do to get it is one reason so many decent folk will go nowhere near politics

However hard it is I still think the Democrats are mad to have clung to Biden as their canidate though, since practically anyone else may have beaten Trump hollow and saved us all this farce

I blame the Republicans for not coming up with a sane, honest candidate who wanted to serve his country instead of a numbnut with dictator fantasies.
The Republican and Democrat parties used to have candidates that made you think about who you should choose because both had many good points. Now, it's more, "Ugh, who will destroy the country less?". I really think my country, like many people, has to hit rock bottom before it sees the error of its way.
Or, we'll end up like a third world country run by gangs with next to zero law and order and chaos.

In fact, neither party has offered a sane and honest candidate so I guess they want to see how low can they go?

baffld · 03/06/2024 00:40

SerendipityJane · 02/06/2024 19:24

Would my feeling that "lynching" has a different sense in the the US to UK be correct ?

I believe they invented it - Charles Lynch (1736–96), a Virginia planter who used it to deal with those loyal to the King. More recently applied to honour killings, the murder of civil rights workers and individuals.

I've broken the link as the image included is upsetting
https://www.britannica.com /topic/lynching
Statistics of reported lynching in the US indicate that, between 1882 and 1951, 4,730 persons were lynched, of whom 1,293 were white and 3,437 were black.

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Explore the fact-checked online encyclopedia from Encyclopaedia Britannica with hundreds of thousands of objective articles, biographies, videos, and images from experts.

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SinnerBoy · 02/06/2024 20:21

Yes, that's what it means in the UK, as well. AFIK it is a term adopted from America.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 02/06/2024 20:14

@SerendipityJane - I don't think so, in both countries, to the best of my understanding, a lynching is an unlawful killing administered by a mob on someone they have decided is guilty without a trial.

SerendipityJane · 02/06/2024 19:24

Would my feeling that "lynching" has a different sense in the the US to UK be correct ?

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