... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

lovelysoap · Today 01:17

I think the conviction is flimsy and will be overturned on appeal. It looks like foul play by the democrats due to the timing...

What makes you think it's flimsy? The DA's office collected and sifted evidence, then presented it to a grand jury, which concluded that charges were justified. They had to present their evidence to a judge at preliminary hearings and the judge approved it.

Trump tried to have 60 alleged election fraud cases heard, in different states, but failed because "I have heard," and "A lot of people are saying," do not constitute evidence. Sydney Powell and other Trump lawyers were sanctioned for wasting court time, fined and made to write letters of apology.

He also leant on judges personally, to try to get them to approve cases against his enemies, even commenting, "She's ungrateful and disloyal, I gave her the job!" He misunderstood the separation of the judiciary and Government, assuming that they were simply a weapon in his personal arsenal.

What makes you think that Biden, or the Democratic Party would be able to influence judges? Trump certainly couldn't.

Also, if the charges were flimsy, his lawyers could have appealed to a higher court, to get the case dismissed. They didn't, because they didn't have a leg to stand on. There was a wealth of evidence, including cheques and instructions, with his signature on them.

It was a whole lot more than Stormy Daniels and Cohen bad-mouthing him for revenge. He channelled the hush money through Cohen and entered them into his business records as legitimate legal advice, writing them off against tax.

The conviction seems solid.

It's genuinely surprised me - I didn't have much hope on such a verdict and assumed we'd get a hung verdict.

Even more so when you consider all jurors had to find him guilty to avoid a hung verdict and one of them said they only got their news from X and Truth Social.

It’ll just help him in his run for president.

The sentence he will get will be very lenient. It's highly unlikely he will go to prison, and if he does, he will be in a cushy place, far away from any dangerous individuals, and even then it would only be for a few months.

This verdict will actually make him more popular. His supporters will be out in force.

Talk about an own goal.

Their attempts to destroy him have just made him stronger.

@Arlanymor

L.o.l 🤣 😂😅 whooped shouted out "quite right arsehole " and someone a passerby heard you outside your window etc,

Thats apparently technically possible. So the plan will be to leave his appeal as late as possible, win the election (whilst I hate him I think he’s got a good chance) and then pardon himself, thereby completing a full circle.
Everytime I dispair about politics in the UK I just look at the U.S. and remember that some countries are even worse messes!

If he's elected then in 4.5 years time he could pardon himself on his last day in office 20 January 2029!

Doesn’t mean a thing. Amongst his supporters this guilty verdict works to his narrative that the establishment don’t like him and ergo don’t like his supporters and he is the saviour of the US.
He will appeal and win. Come the elections Biden is not going to win. Hopefully things will come down in the Middle East before a change of US government but I doubt that very much.

Sad but true.

It'll reaffirm to himself that people think he's so god like they need him out of the way.

There seems to be a lot less of them now at least. Less of the Jan 6 mentality. I do hope they're all looked after though.

I do worry about one of Trump's deranged fans going after a juror, more likely the judge.

Do you think think they'll suffer for it/ get found out?

Goethe??? Hope the

For his 'core supporters ' the invasion of the Capitol' was not wrong, talking to people in middle America can be very disturbing, there is a very Wild West mentality. What we get on TV is usually East and West coast but there's a lot we rarely see and that's the Trump powerbase. I predict he will incite even more violence about this verdict, Goethe jurors are being protected.

I'm an American and all I can say is WELL DONE to our legal system! 12 ordinary people just proved, once again, that no one is above the law. Trump may want to be a dictator, but those sensible New Yorkers aren't having it.

Jed would have taken it in his stride, like the complete gentleman he was 🥰

They could reimagine The West Wing! Can't think that Jeb would be jailed, the greatest Pres they never had!

Sentencing in July
But they will appeal

America has become ridiculous and Putin/Xi are taking advantage, so it's not even funny.
These two clowns need to step aside and let two fresh and sensible candidates step forward. The fate of Western democracy literally depends on it.

It's the fact that he's incapable of basic speech tbh (for me, from abroad). He doesn't seem to have any discernible talent. He completely lacks any hint of charisma. Obviously he's not the first randy fucker to president but at least some of the rest of them could carry out their jobs vaguely competently. When they weren't shagging around 😂

Not the first President to bè dodgy. Everyone loves JFK but his whole family were dodgy. I wonder how many women he had to pay to keep quiet,not that I condone anything like that.
I dont know about American politics but was Trump a bad president or is it that people just dont like him personally.

🙏 I must dedicate some proper time to reading about the structure of the courts tbh.

@DanielGault The meeting in the middle is necessary only if the party is actually interested in governing, which the Republicans are not. They have become the party of "no", in the sense they simply obstruct every liberal iniative. A good example is the recent immigration law they voted down, despite having helped write it. They know that if they do pass it, they won't have an immigration issue to rile up their base with. That's all they care about Now that they've got the US supreme court stacked, whatever laws they don't like, they just take it up there and get it reversed, like Roe v. Wade. It's just a mess.

I've been a huge fan of the West Wing for over a decade, and I still don't have a complete handle on their system tbh. But from what I can gather, cross party connections are important when it comes to actually getting laws passed/judges appointed etc. So I suppose there is some degree of meeting halfway necessary. And it's probably wise to apply this to the electorate in general. I never understand why they don't have more parties muses

I seriously do not know what is wrong with us. Somewhere, in this country is someone that would be a perfect President. Neither far right nor far left. Sadly, they're probably not rich or well-connected and these days, those seem to be a must. Someone who could take the GOOD values of each party and work with both sides of the aisle, and not able to be bought and paid for by lobbyists.
A person with honesty, integrity and a commit to do what is best for the citizens; not some lobbyist, crony or criminal.
We need a hero! I pray for our country.