... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

Sadly Biden has not given KH the opportunities to shine that Obama gave to Biden. Who can say why?

TBF she is less experienced and accomplished than B was when he became VP. But the full story could be more complicated

She isn't running because a HUGE proportion of black voters dislike her. It would be a disaster. I believe she is a big reason so many of the African American community are turning to Trump. The VP pick for the Democrats is important this election because Biden is viewed as totally incompetent, even by die hard Dem voters. They are handing the Presidency to Trump at this point.

Edited for spelling. Very tired lol.

Bluntly they are both way to old for this. Neither is mentally or physically fit enough.

And yet in the UK we had Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn.

Sometimes people get in the frame because those who get them there think they can manipulate them more easily (Biden?);

Sometimes it's because they have popular support because of personal charisma (I'd say Trump and Johnson fit into this mould);

God knows how Corbyn got there but there was some evidence that a lot of Tory voters became Labour Party members so they could vote in the least credible general election candidate - also plausible with the Milliband brothers vote where the much less credible candidate Ed won over David.

However I don't think even we would have two candidates that show indications of dementia.

Interestingly the median age of leaders countries with free political systems tends to be lower than that of those who are not free and the median age overall is 62, so both Biden and Trump are way above that.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/05/01/as-biden-and-trump-seek-reelection-who-are-the-oldest-and-youngest-current-world-leaders/

Personally I think 70 should be the cut off point. The risk of deteriorating physical and mental capacities is just too high above that.

Hi, @Misthios

I agree Biden’s lapses are concerning. But Trump frequently spews word salads. Recently he was filmed claiming he’d won the state of Minnesota in one or both previous elections (he never did) and riffing creepily on Hannibal Lecter.

And these are amongst his more coherent sentences.

Does anyone have ideas why people with concerns about Biden’s mental status give Trump a pass?

He'll be fined, if his appeal fails.
Whatever you think these are frightening times. A lot of people have nobody to vote for, same as here frankly. Trump is a danger to democracy, and this won't stop him.

It’s 4 yrs per charge according to the NY TImes and there are 34 Guilty verdicts.

But very likely any jail sentences would be served concurrently

I don't understand this, either. Is it because she is not white and is a female? I'd have thought the vice-presidency was the ideal springboard for her to work from during Biden's presidency and then to take over as presidential candidate when he retired from old age at the end of his first term. But who am I to think? Nothing makes sense to me any more.

They don't care. Look at all the awful things he did and said in the run up to the election he won and then his terrible treacherous behaviour when he was President. He is a vile excuse for a person but they don't see it and they feel he is speaking for them. He doesn't even go to church and yet the right-wing, misogynistic, racist, homophobic Evangelical Christians think he's the next best thing to God the Father. Who would ever have thought Roe v Wade would be overturned and black, gay and women's rights eroded as much as they are now being, in the 21st century? That's this disgusting man's fault.

WHY, is everyone talking about falsified business records, and not the huge scale corruption and blood money?

Because some will countenance anything, anything at all, rather than have Trump as President, @BlessedKali

FWIW I'm no fan of either of them and believe America deserves a damned sight better, but while you make some excellent and balanced points you're unfortunately making them on the wrong forum - the one, indeed, where the idea of Trump's assassination was once greeted with widespread glee

MAGAs will continue to support him no matter what. But, more moderate Republicans may hesitate…they won’t vote for Biden, so they may not vote at all.

This is what my moderate Republican friends are saying. They will not vote for Biden, ever. Cannot support Trump. So will either just not vote, or vote for an independent candidate, knowing it's a wasted vote.

Some comments are cute to read.

I had quite a large number of friends who supported Biden and were very vocal against Trump in 2024. They have now gone very quiet 🤐 Really wondering how all this would unfold. Wherever is the case Europe would be most affected by the US messed up state of politics.

In 1924 Adolf Hitler spent 264 days incarcerated in Landsberg after being convicted of treason following the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich the previous year.

Trump's remaining court cases he's facing are 2 to do with trying to overturn the outcome of a democratic election in 2020, and one is to do with him stashing government documents in his bathroom. There's 84 criminal counts in total across the 3 cases.

He is trying to claim that acts he committed while being president should make him immune - the supreme court will rule on this soon and have signalled that while there may be some immunity, if he's found to be guilty, not even the president is above the law.

So many Americans just won't vote. It's a catastrophy for democracy. They only have two choices, and neither is appealing. I'm struggling here with a potential three choices, which in reality is also shit.

My point exactly, they are a figurehead, aka someone to look up to as a leader, to represent a nation, inspire people to work and build the nation's economy. Since when could Trump ever inspire any emotion other than disgust, distain and embarrassment.

We have friends who moved to a hard-core Trump state from California, can't remember if it was during or just after covid but the move was prompted by the lockdowns in California. They are early 40s, intelligent and have been functioning members of society for the 20 years we have known them. It has been very surreal and alarming to witness their fairly fast evolution (devolution) into Trump voters. They have drank the Kool-aid "America has lost its way and needs a strong, patriotic leader who will make the hard decisions noone else will" and now they are marching steadily towards lunacy. They accept Trump has made mistakes (who hasn't?!) but aren't bothered around the detail as much of it is apparently misrepresented or fabricated and frankly detracts from the fact that he is a true patriot who will restore order in this crazy woke world. During our recent visit, it was very concerning to hear the same thought processes and see the same tunnel vision in their peer groups. I know this latest development will have little, if any, impact on their vote.

The entire global unrest is just leading us towards a New World Order, with one governing body overseeing us all. Why can't people understand that?

Fell asleep at the back of 9 last night, woke up for the loo around 11, stupidly looked at my news feed and saw the verdict. Didn’t sleep for the next two hours I was that chuffed

Same.

I'm gutted he's been found guilty. He will become a hero to too many because of it 🙄 it was going to be a win win for him no matter what.

It's a great result, and his subsequent whinge that it was rigged and the judge was incompetent/corrupt was totally predictable.

He's almost certainly planning an appeal. We certainly haven't heard the last of this by a long shot. He's a loose cannon, for sure.

I'd like to think that this could bar him from standing for presidency, but I doubt it will.

I'll have no respect for those who vote for such an arsewipe.

Why ??? I don’t get the MAGA thought process. Are they stupid?
Why is Biden running again? What about Kamela Harris?

Oh for sure…Trump will play the martyr and the MAGAs will pay his court costs, fines and fund his lifestyle. It is a personality cult.

American expat here. MAGAs will continue to support him no matter what. But, more moderate Republicans may hesitate…they won’t vote for Biden, so they may not vote at all. This may be just enough votes to put Biden in the Oval Office again. Biden has been handed a strategic weapon against his opponent, and let us hope he uses it wisely and saves my home country from 4 years under Trump. Trump was clearly guilty and ultimately no one is above the law. That said, I do wish the Democrats would have a stronger candidate. One term was fine for Joe Biden, but I’m guessing Kamala Harris would serve out part of the second one if he wins again.

I’m also thinking if Trump is jailed the logistics of it all for the prison. Maybe they might do like they did to Napoleon and put him on an island. Guantanamo Bay springs to mind. Out of site, out of mind which would dampen down the political unrest. But realistically, he will just get a fine and probation and not be allowed to travel outside New York. Interesting times for sure. I’m sure America’s shenanigans are keeping you Brits all well entertained!

@Fandangodiggers

I didn't know Hitler was convicted criminal and he still became a leader like that?

What crime was he convicted about then?

Also wondering what other feudal transgressions crimes has Trump done that are in the pipeline then?

Sounds intriguing 🤔

A reminder of happier days when Trump and Hilary Clinton sang a duet together:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg