... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

When the revolutionaries went to war with Britain, they were all "criminals". The omission of that qualification from the constitution is deliberate to prevent tyranny.

American expat here. MAGAs will continue to support him no matter what. But, more moderate Republicans may hesitate…they won’t vote for Biden, so they may not vote at all. This may be just enough votes to put Biden in the Oval Office again

I hope @verdibird is right here. Although this judgement has obviously riled up his fanatics to new levels, I can’t see it gaining him many moderate, not completely insane voters. Surely the election will be won or lost by how this middle ground votes? His fanatics were always going to back him regardless, and them being 10 times as angry now will not mean that their individual votes somehow carry more weight.

I guess I’m relying on the idea that there can’t be that many completely mental Americans to vote him in after all he’s done, can there?

Because a lot of what the US Govt (or elements of) got up to over the years has been covert (with some of it being extraordinarily nasty, particularly overseas), but with the surface being given the glossy "Captain America saving the world against evil" spin, it seems very easy for the conspiracy theories to take hold when past events get declassified. Especially in the age of unregulated and inaccurate information being available via social media. All the super powers got to be that way by some very dark actions and humanitarian abuses - the US just has better marketing.

Entirely possible that you could have a legal case that is rigged (not saying that is what has happened here necessarily) as the US justice system is and always has been.... problematic. Unfortunately, people have good reason to not trust it, which leaves it open to bad actors to whip up chaos.

Well they should read up on Project 2025.

I'm a registered democrat and I would most certainly vote for a republican if the D candidate was literally (proudly) drawing up plans to dismantle democracy.

In long form interviews and speeches, Biden is perfectly coherent, while admittedly old. Trump is a rambling, shambling, lying grifter. I would suggest that your friends move away from short clips and single source media to a more varied diet of differing outlets.

Think this has only helped him actually, his supporters believe he is being unfairly targeted and will see this as comparable to the sort of political persecution Putin employs against his rivals - and that it's therefore more important than ever to overthrow the NWO fascists and save democracy before it is too late by voting Trump. I have a horrible feeling this has just secured his victory.

Yes but their move was prompted by lockdowns, so it’s not hard to see their trajectory to Trumpism.

It could end up bolstering his chances, with donations and voter anger

It will be interesting to see what happens

It’s flabbergasting that probably/potentially enough people will still vote for him as president.

100% true! I live next to a marina and the pathway that runs all the way around is literally next to my bedroom window which is always open. People walk past my window at all hours of the day!

American politics fascinates me. Also, the American voters are so against funding the war in Ukraine anymore, while noting one of the biggest donors to the Democrats is Lockheed Martin who, amongst other things (all military), are a manufacturer of weapons. Lockheed Martins biggest contract is with the Pentagon. It pays a lot of politicians a lot of money in the USA to support wars across the world. Its also why any potential democrat, who has their eye on the Presidency, has to be on board with this. Anyone who isn't is shot down by the higher ups and not given a chance.
Note I am only discussing the Democrats as the money they are sending to Ukraine will lose them a lot of votes. Politics on both sides in the USA is a cesspit.
Rant over lol.
We have our own similar problems over here of course but not half as dramatic 😊

Don’t understand Why are people rejoicing ?
yes no one is above the law , but in this case it seems it’s very partial and selective going after Trump.

I think it's brilliant that he's getting his comeuppance but I worry that it will make the fanatics even more fanatic.

Just read the comments on the daily mail. There's a massive cluster of people that think it was rigged. Apparently the forces are out to stop Trump before he exposes their dark secrets. America is crazy.

He's vile but aren't a lot of US politicians? One of the reasons people perversely seem to like Trump is that they know full well that he's vile and he has been utterly unsuccessful at hiding it. They have such a lack of trust in their political system that they'd prefer the devil they knew (a corrupt, sexist white old man who represents the US capitalist dream of the 1980s).
A weakened United States is a problem for the UK - especially if any (or all) of the current or brewing conflicts escalate - but I can't see how it won't be with the options for their upcoming election. The US is still an experiment and it's struggling - along with a lot of other democracies worryingly.

Congress spent ages investigating Hunter. The Republicans would love to find a way to tie President Biden into Hunter’s problems.

So far they have failed but you will no doubt be pleased to know that they haven’t given up

Unfortunately won't make any difference, except that a whole bunch of idiots will donate more to his campaign. Who said crime doesn't pay

No, that's never been said because it's not true.

Where’s Kevin Kline when they need him 😁

I’m annoyed thst the democrats have virtually handed a win to trump, because even the most devoted of Democrats have serious concerns about voting in Biden again, given he isn’t even capable of a public speech, much less the complexity of world peace and security. If only they had a produced a serious contender they would stand a chance at least.

I thought trump couldn’t run for presidency if he was elected? I’m sure that’s what sky news was reporting on Wednesday?

Thank you very much for that insight (and your earlier answer). Really interesting, I had no idea.

Trump's remaining court cases he's facing are 2 to do with trying to overturn the outcome of a democratic election in 2020, and one is to do with him stashing government documents in his bathroom

Which may well be ironic, given the controversies seen during the 2020 election count and Biden's own approach to storing classified documents

Interesting that the latter was brushed aside because according to the Hur report "Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory ... It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him - by then a former president well into his eighties - of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness"

Interesting, too, to watch the Democrats - while obviously pleased their man wouldn't be indicted - spin on a pin to object to the very reason given for this

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But at least it shows some americans are brave and honest enough to stand up to him so publicly in such very frightening times.”

I'm actually worried for their safety, given the mental state of many of his followers.

I believe it stems from her time as a state prosecutor in California. She was notoriously tough on black men. Some people believe she did this to garner support to step into politics. Racism doesn't just exist in the Republican party over there, it is also a go to for Democrats. Well, it permeates everything in the USA.

That’s so interesting, why don’t people like her?

From what my American friends tell me, they had great hopes for Kamala Harris but she has coasted for 4 years and not given any positive reasons why she would be a positive choice.

Also agree that Trump is equally old and equally intellectually-challenged. It's really poor that in a country of what, 300 million, that's the best two they can come up with.