... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

Yup it depends on the electoral college. Remember, Hilary Clinton won the popular vote when Trump was elected the first time. I’m just hoping there are enough Republicans in the swing states/states with a large number in the college that see sense. Not all Republicans are MAGAs.

Did not people make a bit fuss about Trump voters not being university educated? Do not be surprised people comment on this.

He’s got a degree in finance from the University of Alabama, he’s no idiot (you’d think).

Take it from me, qualifications are no indicator of intelligence.

Because that's the way it works. If you're the person who commits a crime, you're the one they select to go after.

Has Trump done his speech yet, it wasn't the one after the verdict but night I saw something.

Felony E

Read https://nyccriminallawyer.com/new-york-felony/

america is not our country its for their citizens to decide and by the way he is very popular in America & the alternative is an 85 year old with dementia - trump is better choice so what he had a few flings so did Clinton and he s immensely popular in my opinion its been a witch hunt

Historically, the psychopaths have been more successful. If enough of the population believe the psychopath's interests align enough with theirs, they'll go for the psycho every time.

Yeah, the fanatics are about 30% of the electorate and nothing's going to change their minds. I do think this will whip them into a frenzy, but highly doubtful it's going to win him new supporters, and it might push some undecideds and Haley voters away. The big issue is the geographical distribution of the fanatics - unfortunately, he could win with a minority vote again.

The irony is, the US system is based on the English system. Explicit separation of powers.

It is ridiculous that America has a choice between a psychopath and a man of 84 as president but I would rather have a decent normal man of any age than said psychopath.

I’m so worried about America. There’s a guy I follow on social media in a professional capacity. He’s got a degree in finance from the University of Alabama, he’s no idiot (you’d think). He’s a family man, lay preacher at weekends, and 99% of his posts are just normal stuff about his kids going to uni, going fishing, the family’s new puppy, etc.

But he’s just posted this on Facebook! I mean what the actual?! The moral gymnastics boggle the mind. I’m afraid America is in a very scary place.

Remember their origin story is that a bunch of brave revolutionaries who the British called traitors and criminals threw off the shackles of tyranny (a word that we tend not to respond to in the same way) to form a republic.

Part of the foundation of that was to remove the power of the state to oppress. Otherwise you could convict someone of any old trumped up charge and thus prevent them from running for office. Effectively replacing the overseas tyrant with a homegrown one.

TL;DR is the founding fathers did not want to exclude a felon from office. It's no accident. They didn't "forget". They didn't have a golf match and finish early. They thought about the possibility of a future government going rogue and tried to account for it.

That's my take on it having read more than I care to in helping a family member get their citizenship. And that is how they see it.

Exactly. Plus, there are too many problems with the justice system for people to be assured that it wouldn't be used for political purposes. Which feels a bit... Putin.

He’ll say it was a politically motivated stitch-up, and too many of his followers will believe him.
It beggars belief that they have no law to prevent a convicted felon running for president.

@anotherside

Ridiculous how excited people are at this. Trump is supposed to be worst the guy/president ever. And yet, judging him on his record, Trump got 74 million to Biden’s 81 million votes. Not much in it. (You omit that historically Republican voters turn out more than Democrats, not to mention the extensive gerrymandering).That’s because people who live in the US saw there’s really nothing between them on the stuff that matters - economy, foreign policy, jobs etc. In fact on some stuff Trump is preferable. And at least he’s not just a stooge of the system and willing to launch foreign wars at the drop of a hat to benefit US arms manufacturers and big oil. (Did Biden launch any wars? Hes the one who got the troops out of a neverending war in Afghanistan, which Trump didn't. I suppose Trump's 350 billion dollar arms deal with the Saudis also escaped your mind.)

It would be nice if we could at least point to Trump’s personal moral failings - his disrespect for women etc. But even on that front you’ve a choice between Trump’s crude words/humou versus Biden’s horrible touching of young kids and women. (Trump's admission of grabbing them by the pussy and taking bragging about being able to enter the Miss Teen USA pagent dressing room when the contestants are undressed is merely "crude words" to you?) Both unpleasant but if pushed I’ll take the mouthy idiot rather than the kid grabber. (Any proof?, or is it like the pedophiles in Hillary's pizza shop?) It surprises me that any parents would disagree. (It surprises me how anyone who values democracy would disagree that a president who won't concede defeat and tries to incite an insurrection is not a good choice).

Anyway, Trump is still bookmakers favourite to beat Biden - which says it all really.Edited

This post gives a good snapshot of Trump's base way of thinking. "Alternative facts"

Takes the Supreme Court to do that, and it has a right wing Republican majority. Won’t happen.

tbf, the criminal senior also has questionable mental capacity

American here, and I am an academic historian. It is a personality cult. History will show you (as you well know) that there have been several demagogues in the past who promise to make things ‘great’ again. People get brainwashed. America can be v. insular; many Americans don’t have passports and don’t know about other cultures/ways of life. Globalisation is threatening to them.

The financial crisis, 9/11, COVID, school shootings/gun culture, opiate crisis, inflation making houses unaffordable, all these things have made people fearful. There is also little social safety net in the States and unbridled capitalism has eaten away at the middle class; huge wealth disparities. I’ve stayed in South Pasadena in affluent neighbourhoods, and see homeless camped out on the lawn of the public library/people living in cars. This has been normalised, and people worry that will happen to them. They are scared.

The American dream is starting to crumble, and because the States is a confluence of all sorts of cultures, and fairly secularised, who do people turn to for comfort? A demagogue who promises everything will be OK if they can be in power.

Presidents can only pardon for Federal Charges. He was found guilty of State Charges so he can not be pardoned by himself or any other President.