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Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?

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Korner · 30/05/2024 19:38

Dsister (blue eyes) has 4 kids with BIL (very dark brown eyes almost black). All 4 kids (7 - 3 yo) have bright blue eyes.

BIL is Sikh Punjabi. Apparently has no history of blue eyes but says some second cousins have green eyes - not common but not unusual. My family all pretty much have blue eyes.

This has to be an anomaly. Just curious as the discussion came up at baby group today. Learned that it should only really be 50% likelihood of blue eyes if one parent has brown eyes and the other
blue.

I have one of each (brown and blue) despite DH being green eyed. I’m also blue eyed.
Genes are very interesting!

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maw1681 · 30/05/2024 21:18

Eye colour genetics is actually fairly complex. It's not true that two brown eyed parents can't have a blue eyed child, just rare! If some of his family have green eyes he's likely got a recessive blue eyed gene so with your sister having blue eyes the children can have blue eyes. It would be less than 50% chance of them having blue eyed children so all 4 having blue eyes is unusual but definitely not impossible!

Puppiesmakemehappy · 30/05/2024 21:14

I’m one of 6kids, I’m the only brown eye child. Dad and my siblings all had/have piercing blue eyes, my mum had green.
other than the fact I don’t have a beard or blue eyes I’m identical to my siblings.

Invent · 30/05/2024 21:14

I have never understood why they teach the model of recessive and dominant genes when it's clearly obvious eyes don't work like that in real life. I mean there's lots more different shades and colours than brown and blue for starters.

Restinggoddess · 30/05/2024 21:11

I think you need to factor in grandparents
my granny had green eyes - grandad brown eyes
I was told green eyes make brown even more dominant
All 5 grandchildren from them
have brown eyes despite having blue eyes mothers

As for the next generation- mainly blue with some green eyes
Generics are fabulous

Guavafish1 · 30/05/2024 21:10

Sounds like the blue is dominant gene compared to the brown

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 30/05/2024 21:09

comedycentral · 30/05/2024 19:42

Both of my parents have brown eyes, and I have blue eyes. The odds are low in my case, but it's still possible. It's a high chance in your family's case.

Edited

Exactly that ie it can come from grand parents, great grandparents etc

allthingsred · 30/05/2024 21:08

I have brown eyes my partner blue.
4 kids. Each have different eye colour
(Brown, hazel, blue & green)

Genes are fascinating!

WiddlinDiddlin · 30/05/2024 21:08

Korner · 30/05/2024 19:53

So what does it mean when some posters are saying there is more than one gene at play? Sorry dropped Science after GCSEs!

There are genes that say 'be this colour'.

There are genes that say 'if X colour, modify it'

There are genes that say 'over time, alter to X colour'

There are dominant genes - you only need 1 copy to see the effect.
Recessive genes - you need 2 copies to see the effect.
There are incomplete dominant genes - so (using horse coat colour genetics as I know more about that) you would see some evidence of two different genes, say cream colour AND red colour, producing a dilute golden shade. In some flowers red is an incomplete dominant gene so a flower carrying red and white could appear pink.

And theres lots more besides - there are genes that determine patterns, telling other genes to switch off a particular pigment here, but not there (again with the horses, this is why we have horses with splashes of white over their bodies, and yet that is a different gene to the one that says 'white socks on legs and a stripe down the nose').

user1499291455 · 30/05/2024 21:05

I am from a similar background to your BIL and my husband is white with hazel eyes. My eldest has blue eyes, middle child has brown and youngest has hazel. Blue eyes likely due to recessive gene for blue eyes and the rest is a equal share between me and husband!

PinotPony · 30/05/2024 21:03

Assuming that the dad has a dominant brown eye allele and a recessive blue eye allele (Bb)... and mum has two recessive blue eye alleles (bb).... then any child would have a 50% chance of blue eyes.

Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?
LaceyLou82 · 30/05/2024 21:01

Sikh Punjabis are Northern Indian. The North of India has been invaded by the Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Afghans, Chinese/Mongolians and British. It’s a very diverse gene pool.

There are a number of Northern Indians and Pakistanis incredibly light skinned with green and blue eyes. It’s likely he carries one of the genes.

BashfulClam · 30/05/2024 20:57

My dad had brown eyes, my mother has blue eyes. My brother has blue eyes but I have green eyes. My cousins and brother all have blond hair and blue eyes I and the only one with dark hair and non blue eyes. Genes are weird!

TheNoodlesIncident · 30/05/2024 20:57

Littlebitofsomething · 30/05/2024 19:51

I think it depends on the grandparents' eye colours too.

My solitary dc has blue (well, grey) eyes. His dad and I have brown eyes, and three of the four grandparents have/had brown eyes, only one is blue eyed. (This is the one who actually complained that none of her four GC had brown eyes... 🙄)

Loveriver · 30/05/2024 20:56

My side all bright blue
Ex was Hazel brown from his mum but his dad and brother's have dark blue
Our sons are turquoise almost

GHSP · 30/05/2024 20:54

One in sixteen if the mother has blue eyes.

One in 256 if the mother has brown eyes.

mygrandchildrenrock · 30/05/2024 20:53

My DH has brown eyes, I have blue eyes. Our son has greeen eyes, our daughter has blue eyes, red hair and is left handed. She is so very different to all her other siblings (by different dad) and cousins.

Abitorangelooking · 30/05/2024 20:53

Genetics are funny, my eldest has hazel eyes like me , middle child brown like Dad. Twins have blue eyes like nobody else in the family.

chattyness · 30/05/2024 20:50

My mother has hazel eyes, my dad's are green my sister's are brown and light blue, my brother has dark blue , mine are grey green !

JustTalkToThem · 30/05/2024 20:47

There is so much bad statistics being spouted in this thread ... jesus wept.

itsgettingweird · 30/05/2024 20:45

It's to do with dominant and recessive genes.

There is a certain way you can get each eye colour and some genes are always recessive (can't remember off the top of head as gcse science was decades ago 🤣)

But basically there are percentage chances of each outcome but they aren't dependent (that's more maths and statistics)

So if B = brown (dominant gene) and b = blue (recessive gene)

She could be bb and he could be Bb.

So the outcomes are

bB (brown)
bb (blue)
bB
bb

So basically each child has a 50% chance of blue eyes irrespective what the previous child has.

Or at least that's what I remember from GCSE science!

I'm much more clued up on autosominal dominant gene faults as my son has a genetic condition.

romdowa · 30/05/2024 20:36

My dh is brown his parents brown , green , sibling green , I'm blue as is my parents and sibling. My ds has like green/ Hazel eyes. He's neither one colour or the other. His eyes changed colour quite Late as well around 15 months, up until then they were blue. It's fascinating how it works but genetics in general are fascinating

FTPM1980 · 30/05/2024 20:34

Korner · 30/05/2024 20:15

So the fact that BIL says no one in his family have blue eyes is because brown is dominant?

Why has there been no other expression of blue on BILs family if he has the blue gene?

Edited

Presumably because none of his family have had children with a person with only blue genes.

Ponoka7 · 30/05/2024 20:34

Namechange43654 · 30/05/2024 20:28

That is rarer, but it's still not impossible.

I have green eyes, my DH had blue eyes. Both sets of our parents, blue eyes. But I have native American in my genetic history and have two brown eyed children (plus one blue eyed). They are undoubtedly my DH's. My brown eyed DD has one brown and one blue eyed children. My blue eyed GC has the same unusual blue that my Mother had.

takeitorleave · 30/05/2024 20:33

I have blue/grey eyes, husband brown, two children with blue/grey, one green/hazel - he is also left handed/footed and to his disgust, I've passed my right footedness to them all! ⚽️ I must have strong genes 🤣