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Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?

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Korner · 30/05/2024 19:38

Dsister (blue eyes) has 4 kids with BIL (very dark brown eyes almost black). All 4 kids (7 - 3 yo) have bright blue eyes.

BIL is Sikh Punjabi. Apparently has no history of blue eyes but says some second cousins have green eyes - not common but not unusual. My family all pretty much have blue eyes.

This has to be an anomaly. Just curious as the discussion came up at baby group today. Learned that it should only really be 50% likelihood of blue eyes if one parent has brown eyes and the other
blue.

I have one of each (brown and blue) despite DH being green eyed. I’m also blue eyed.
Genes are very interesting!

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Wisenotboring · 31/05/2024 17:47

No-one can tell you as it depends on the genotype of each parent. If you tell us the eye colour of each parent it would be possible.

Redbone · 31/05/2024 09:27

As previous posters have said , it’s less than a 1 in 2 chance of being blue eyed from brown eyed parents. Both my parents had dark brown hair and brown eyes but I’m a a blue eyed blonde ( well mostly grey now!)

Bjorkdidit · 31/05/2024 07:54

I don't understand biology but I do understand statistics.

If brown or blue eyes are equally likely, then the odds of all 4 DC is 1 in 16 or about 6% so unlikely but not impossible.

But across a population, if you have 16 families of this heritage mix all with 4 DC, statistically one of those will have DC all with blue eyes.

The same will apply even if the odds are lower. If brown eyes are 75% chance and blue eyes 25% chance, then its 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 0.4% or 1 in 256. So if you have 256 families, then one will have all blue eyes. A million families then
4000 will have this combination.

That's the point that a lot of people seem to overlook. No individual will personally know sufficient people for the people they know to be representative of the population as a whole. But they could quite well know one or two of the minority who fit whatever criteria is being considered.

Works the same for boy/girl combinations, finances, illnesses etc. Even if your personal observation suggests that 'everyone' or 'no-one' does or doesn't fit a certain criteria, unless the sample set you're observing is representative of the entire population, which is extremely unlikely, then no definitive conclusion can be drawn.

sashh · 31/05/2024 07:06

Foldinthecheese · 30/05/2024 19:49

This stuff baffles me. My husband and I, as well as our parents, all have/had brown eyes and brown hair. Our three children have either blue or hazel eyes, two with dark blonde hair and one with strawberry blonde hair. 🤷‍♀️

Think about a jar of marbles. Your DH and you each have a jar with about 8 marbles in it. If a single one of those marbles is brown and the others blue then your eyes are brown.

Your eyes are also brown if there are more brown marbles.

Your child's eye colour will depend on the 'marbles' you both pass on. So if you get a third jar and take half of the marbles from your jar and half from your DH's if there is a brown marble then their eyes will be brown. But it might be that you and your DH only have 1 brown marble each so you both pass on only blue marbles.

liveforsummer · 31/05/2024 07:01

Blue eyes are recessive so if they have one blue and one brown gene they will have brown eyes. If both parents have one blue one brown then It's a 50/50 chance that they will get the blue or brown from one parent. I guess the chances are lower that they consistently get the blue gene from both needs to have blue eyes no idea how to work that out but obviously has happened in this case

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:01

CammyChameleon · 30/05/2024 19:44

I don't get your question. It's 50% chance of a blue eyed child each time they conceive. If I flip a non-weighted coin 20 times and it lands on heads each time, then the odds of it landing on heads on the 21st flip is still 50/50.

Not really. If it's been blue for a number of times then the chance of the next being blue increases, there are more factors involved as others have said. If you have twins then the probability of another set of twins increases. It's not the same as coin tossing where, excluding an unfair coin, there are no other factors involved.

Londonnight · 31/05/2024 05:52

I'm green eyed. My ex is brown eyed, our son has bright blue eyes.

My elder son has blue eyes, my daughter in law brown. One grandchild has blue eyes, the other brown. 50.50 chance

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 31/05/2024 05:32

A friend was surprised when she had a brown eyed child - as both her and DH had what she had always thought as blue eyes. Both parents had greenish brown "specks/patches not sure how to describe it". All four grandparents had brown/hazel eyes and child's two siblings had blue eyes.
Sure makes life interesting that nature brings up so many differences. And stuff we learn in primary school science gets proven to be not quite as straightforward once we move on to higher level biology.

IShouldNotBeSurprised · 31/05/2024 04:54

Our son has brown eyes, daughter-in-law has blue eyes. 3 of their 4 have blue eyes. They both have dark brown hair, one son is very blond with bright blue eyes, and the youngest has brown eyes, but light golden brown hair.

When our kids were young, we used to say we have the variety pack. We have six kids, no two have the same hair and eye combination. My husband has brown eyes, I have blue eyes. On top of that, my husband and I have brown hair, but 3 of our kids are redheads. So we have:

-brown eyes, very dark brown (almost black) hair
-brown eyes, red hair
-blue/green/gray (depending on light and what she's wearing) eyes, dark brown hair
-green eyes, red hair
-blue eyes, dark brown hair (was very blond the first few years)
-hazel eyes, red hair

It's often assumed we are a blended family, or some of our kids are adopted. Genetics are fascinating!

Sablecat · 31/05/2024 04:36

It isn't as simple about blue being recessive and brown being dominant as it was taught in high school science. A person can have the gene for brown eyes but lack pigment so they may look blue eyed but they carry the brown gene. So two blue eyed people can absolutely have a brown eyed child.

Duckingella · 31/05/2024 01:50

I have green eyes
DH has brown eyes

DC 1 brown eyes
DC 2 blue eyes
DC 3 green eyes
DC 4 blue eyes

Garlicked · 31/05/2024 00:56

I used to live in Brazil. Many people there have a stunning combination of dark skin & hair with light eyes. It's usually explained by Brazil's genetic 'melting pot' which, going back 150 years, would have included European men having children with African women. This would mainly have been enslaved women, but the Portuguese government did pay settlers to marry local women - meaning plenty of Native American genes went into the pot as well.

Some African tribes had blue eyes. And the original Brits were dark-skinned with light eyes; this has been deduced from Cheddar Man's DNA - he lived here 10,000 years ago.

It's nowhere as straightforward as AA+BB=AB. Have some nice pictures 🙂

Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?
Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?
Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?
Korner · 31/05/2024 00:48

LaceyLou82 · 30/05/2024 21:01

Sikh Punjabis are Northern Indian. The North of India has been invaded by the Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Afghans, Chinese/Mongolians and British. It’s a very diverse gene pool.

There are a number of Northern Indians and Pakistanis incredibly light skinned with green and blue eyes. It’s likely he carries one of the genes.

Very interesting to learn about.

Funnily enough when we were in Greece with BIL and sister last year people kept speaking to BIL in Greek!

Genes truly are fascinating.

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LadyGAgain · 31/05/2024 00:39

I am half Indian with brown eyes and black hair. My DH is English with brown hair and blue eyes. Our children are both blue eyes with fair hair.
My sister has blue eyes. Father Indian and mother English.

marie3e · 31/05/2024 00:37

You have to make a venn diagram

TeaPleaseX · 31/05/2024 00:34

Me and my dh have dark brown eyes. Our first born has green eyes. No one in our family has this colour that we know of. Beautiful though.

42ndchance · 31/05/2024 00:32

Both dc have sky blue eyes.

I have blue eyes and DH has very dark brown eyes, almost black.

The whole extended family did an ancestry dna test a while back for fun (so the dc aren't the milkmans 🤣). It turns out that DH actually has some iceland/Norway dna in there somewhere!

My DM was adamant that my dc would have blue eyes, DH was most disgruntled that he lost the bet twice.

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:24

Parkmama · 31/05/2024 00:21

My DD has blue eyes and red hair, what are the chances of this combination?! This seems unique?

Very common in redheads/those of Celtic heritage, no? It’s more unusual IME for redheads to have brown eyes, at least in the U.K. and Ireland.

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:22

Oh and I have a brown streak in one of my eyes (otherwise very blue!) - caused by a random mutation in the melanin-producing cells just in that patch. Neither of my parents have any brown in their eyes (green and blue). Flecks or random patches of brown or yellow in blue eyes are also very common.

Marmaladelover · 31/05/2024 00:22

No one in my dh family has brown eyes except his brother who has brown . Going back to aunts, uncles grandparents - all blue . We don’t think he and his brother have the same father .
Are we right?

Parkmama · 31/05/2024 00:21

My DD has blue eyes and red hair, what are the chances of this combination?! This seems unique?

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:13

Korner · 30/05/2024 20:15

So the fact that BIL says no one in his family have blue eyes is because brown is dominant?

Why has there been no other expression of blue on BILs family if he has the blue gene?

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Even if there is no tendency for blue in the genes a child inherits, the genes that control for melanin in the eye can sometimes, as with any genetic mutation, quite randomly be switched off, resulting in a child without melanin (and thus blue or light eyes).

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:07

The dominant-recessive model of eye genetics is now very outdated. More than 16 genes can affect eye colour, including occasionally randomly switching off of the relevant genes for brown eyes (thus resulting in blue eyes) even when neither parent has any alleles for blue at all.

It’s all quite fascinating. I have very blue eyes; DD’s dad has hazel. DD had very blue eyes up until she was about eight years old, and now they have turned very green! (My mother has green eyes, interestingly.)

Jentefieldroamer · 31/05/2024 00:05

My husband had blue eyes, blond hair. I have brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. All 4 of our children have brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. Granddaughters also brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. My genes are more dominant.